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Posted by rdmedders on 04-12-2020 07:00 PM:

Shock collar

How tite should the collar be on a dogs neck to work correctly?

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-12-2020 07:53 PM:

You have to hold it up to your hand and mash the button to judge just how close it has to be.

Posted by rdmedders on 04-12-2020 08:05 PM:

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
You have to hold it up to your hand and mash the button to judge just how close it has to be.

Haha😁

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Posted by Bill(Chew) on 04-12-2020 08:06 PM:

Just snug enough to keep the prongs in contact with the skin on the neck with their head down.

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Posted by rdmedders on 04-13-2020 12:42 PM:

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Originally posted by Bill(Chew)
Just snug enough to keep the prongs in contact with the skin on the neck with their head down.

Thank you!
I’ve got a young dog that’s getting hung up on bad tracks , I want to try using a E-Collar and see if I can pull her off of the bad tracks .
Has anyone got any advice on doing this?

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Posted by Cotton 1927 on 04-13-2020 05:54 PM:

Hot collar

I'll give this a shot, I understand what your saying you'll get varied opinions I'm sure, this is a very fine line in my view, young dogs learn to work a bad track by doing so experience is the best teacher, they never get better by not trying, moving a young dog along off a track there hung up on to me would best be done with Tone...not shock which would require your dog to be collar broke, I'm not big on shocking my dog off desired game only in emergency cases, but I will tone mine to come in or move on with me at times, hope this helps.....

Posted by shadinc on 04-13-2020 09:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rdmedders
Thank you!
I’ve got a young dog that’s getting hung up on bad tracks , I want to try using a E-Collar and see if I can pull her off of the bad tracks .
Has anyone got any advice on doing this?

Don't!

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Posted by yadkintar on 04-13-2020 09:34 PM:

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Originally posted by rdmedders
Thank you!
I’ve got a young dog that’s getting hung up on bad tracks , I want to try using a E-Collar and see if I can pull her off of the bad tracks .
Has anyone got any advice on doing this?

Get you a good squaller learn how to use it and squall those boogers out and rerun them she trees it give one once in awhile. Most times there are more bad tracks than good ones some dogs need to run more good ones to learn how to drift a bad one.

Tar

Posted by novicane65 on 04-13-2020 10:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rdmedders
Thank you!
I’ve got a young dog that’s getting hung up on bad tracks , I want to try using a E-Collar and see if I can pull her off of the bad tracks .
Has anyone got any advice on doing this?

You can most certainly can do this. But you can't just go to shocking on the dog and think its going to do what you think without putting in some work ahead of time. You have to teach the dog what you want it to do when you give it some juice. So with that being said there's different ways to do that. So my question how bad is she getting hung up? Pm me if you'd rather that.

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Posted by yadkintar on 04-13-2020 10:27 PM:

Y’all shock um to get away from you then you shock them to come here poor dogs don’t know whether they are sacking groceries or carrying out. I think some of the handlers need shocked.

You don’t make a hound overnight pushen that button.

Tar

Posted by AAThoundhunter on 04-13-2020 10:40 PM:

Leg work moving them out paired with a light tickle as they are getting out of there to start out. Eventually just the tickle will get her out of there. You can’t just start shocking on dogs though and expect them to understand what’s going on without the previous work put in.

Posted by lonesomedog1 on 04-14-2020 12:02 AM:

I walk in and move them on myself if i have one bogged down for to long.

Posted by shadinc on 04-14-2020 12:52 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
Y’all shock um to get away from you then you shock them to come here poor dogs don’t know whether they are sacking groceries or carrying out. I think some of the handlers need shocked.

You don’t make a hound overnight pushen that button.

Tar

It's amazing how many people think the dog is thinking the same thing they're thinking when they press the button.

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Posted by Preacher Tom on 04-14-2020 01:46 AM:

Too many times that button gets pushed just because we are aggravated. Dog doesn't have a clue what's wrong.

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Posted by Cotton 1927 on 04-14-2020 02:26 AM:

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Originally posted by Preacher Tom
Too many times that button gets pushed just because we are aggravated. Dog doesn't have a clue what's wrong.

You and Tar are spot on, the owner is the dogs worst enemy not his pedigree....

Posted by critter on 04-14-2020 05:28 AM:

under used

The best two buttons on an e-collar and the most under used are tone and vibrate.

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Posted by pamjohnson on 04-14-2020 02:02 PM:

I have thought about moving a dog along from time to time but in the end most of the time the dog shows me it has known more about what's best than I do. If I had to move a dog along much I think I would just get a better dog anyways. Maybe moving a dog along can help 1 but I don't see how it could very much.

Posted by yadkintar on 04-14-2020 02:16 PM:

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Originally posted by pamjohnson
I have thought about moving a dog along from time to time but in the end most of the time the dog shows me it has known more about what's best than I do. If I had to move a dog along much I think I would just get a better dog anyways. Maybe moving a dog along can help 1 but I don't see how it could very much.

All you are doing by moving a dog along with a shock or tone is making it jump from track to track till it finds one easy enough to tree.

It won’t make it finish the one it’s on.

Tar

Posted by novicane65 on 04-14-2020 03:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
All you are doing by moving a dog along with a shock or tone is making it jump from track to track till it finds one easy enough to tree.

It won’t make it finish the one it’s on.

Tar

So do you know for a fact the dog was on a coon? How do you know with 100% certainty that its messing with an old coon track and not some sort of off game? Most guys would be unwilling to admit their "great dog" is messing with fox on those tracks that they pick n pick n pick in the same area. You guys must only have a handful of off game critters. I only use the collar when the dog has been messing on a coon track in the same area for longer than most would ever put up with 1 fooling with it. And contrary to what most want to think about using the e-collar for this, the dog knows most of the time what its getting lit up for. If you've never attended an e-collar clinic you should. You'll have to understand what is being taught there for bird dogs and switch it over to hounds but my my what an informative demonstration it can be. If you use the e-collar correctly you can do many many things way out of the old school mentality realm.

And this is regarding everyone:

Just because that's not how you've always done things doesn't mean its wrong. Sometimes its the simplest answer that evades you that you seek. I've stated this before on here, you can take a wide open trailing dog and make it almost stone silent. You can make 1 be a rattle head if you want to. The only people holding you back in training is "YOU".

Posted by houndsound on 04-14-2020 04:09 PM:

I think you can use an e-collar to teach a dog to drift off older tracks. I think you can use an e-collar for just about anything and it works well. However- if you find you have to use the e-collar to get them to find a track, push a track, stay at a tree, leave your feet, come to you, etc..... by all means do it- but please do not breed to that dog.

If a dog is made through electricity it does not have the dna we want passed on to produce good natural dogs.

Posted by Cotton 1927 on 04-14-2020 07:46 PM:

Tracks

The OP asked about a dog hanging up on a bad track....what, when,where,is pure speculation on our part, all the rest wasn't part of the question....

Posted by yadkintar on 04-15-2020 12:26 AM:

I am sorry I forget I come from a time when we trained dogs to win major hunts with high scores without shocking or training collars.

I apologize.

Tar

Posted by Cotton 1927 on 04-15-2020 12:51 AM:

Collar

Tar, when you ask some folks what time it is that just gotta tell ya how to build a watch,...they can't help themselves they know so much it's just gotta come out! Lol

Posted by yadkintar on 04-15-2020 01:03 AM:

This ole watches time is up.better hope all those garmins don’t get a virus at the same time it would be the end of the dog world lol.

Tar

Posted by shadinc on 04-15-2020 01:03 AM:

Re: Tracks

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Originally posted by Cotton 1927
The OP asked about a dog hanging up on a bad track....what, when,where,is pure speculation on our part, all the rest wasn't part of the question....

He did ask for advice.

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