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Posted by Jmiller85 on 03-28-2020 09:12 PM:

How to improve on accuracy

Got a 2 year old
Gets around good makes plenty off trees only 50 % accurate.
Runs some tracks good and just comes tree on other. Still misses either way.
Sometimes I believe hes messing with squirrels and sometime I believe hes trying to wind coons and tree lay ups and misses
Any training tips or advice
Thanks


Posted by Ron Jackson on 03-28-2020 10:16 PM:

Break the dog from squirrels in the yard during the day and early evening. The best way is break them before they tree them.

Get hold of Wild Willy on here. He taught me how to do it.


Posted by thomasg on 03-29-2020 04:06 PM:

MY ADVISE WOULD BE EITHER TO ACCEPT HIM FOR WHAT HE IS A 50% DOG OR MOVE ON ,


Posted by ronald schultz on 03-29-2020 05:59 PM:

Break from squirrels if that’s the issue

Shoot less coon to him if that is the issue?! Or accept what you have


Posted by Ghost14 on 03-29-2020 08:38 PM:

CCI makes a great pill you can get relatively cheap. Other brands out there that are equally effective as well. Yet to see any of these dog whisperers fix that problem but I’ve got my fingers and toes crossed.

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Posted by novicane65 on 03-29-2020 09:01 PM:

Re: How to improve on accuracy

quote:
Originally posted by Jmiller85
Got a 2 year old
Gets around good makes plenty off trees only 50 % accurate.
Runs some tracks good and just comes tree on other. Still misses either way.
Sometimes I believe hes messing with squirrels and sometime I believe hes trying to wind coons and tree lay ups and misses
Any training tips or advice
Thanks




Regardless of what you'll hear on here and from other guys it is possible to get more than 50% out of the dog. But you have to stay consistent on training. He probably won't ever be a great in the accuracy category. Could be what you're thinking. Or is he back tracking? Could be a number of things.

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Posted by Lonelyndeep4341 on 03-29-2020 11:46 PM:

I agree cci makes a fine cure. If accuracy isn’t bred in them at best you will be able to slow um down to a degree but you will nvr cure an accuracy issue completely. Welcome to breeding tree power to tree power for generations

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Posted by Clovis A Nailor on 03-30-2020 01:05 AM:

If your seeing 50% of the coons you tree sounds to me you got a real accurate dog. Had a guy tell me he had a 90% accurate dog I called BS so we hunted 3 nights together and started counting. Turns out ole 90% turned into a 30% dog in 3 nights despite what you read on this forum there's no such thing. You make 4 trees 2 dens and look at 2 most call that 100% when really that's 50%.


Posted by shadinc on 03-30-2020 01:07 AM:

With that powerful nose he's got, if he doesn't know when a coon is in a tree how am I supposed to know?

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Posted by Cotton 1927 on 03-30-2020 01:15 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis A Nailor
If your seeing 50% of the coons you tree sounds to me you got a real accurate dog. Had a guy tell me he had a 90% accurate dog I called BS so we hunted 3 nights together and started counting. Turns out ole 90% turned into a 30% dog in 3 nights despite what you read on this forum there's no such thing. You make 4 trees 2 dens and look at 2 most call that 100% when really that's 50%.
your making way to much common sense, it's much easier to talk 90% than to show you 90% ...but oh! I know my dog I'm sure it was there in that den! Lol


Posted by yadkintar on 03-30-2020 01:21 AM:

Terrain and hunting conditions can change a lot of dogs percentage.


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Posted by Clovis A Nailor on 03-30-2020 01:28 AM:

If you have hunted any length of time you'll know when they are missing to many. But 50% of coon eyes is outstanding. I wished I had a 50% dog I would wear them out at the hunts around here. I have what folks consider a top female around my area and she is a legitimate 30% dog


Posted by N Williams on 03-30-2020 01:31 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Cotton 1927
your making way to much common sense, it's much easier to talk 90% than to show you 90% ...but oh! I know my dog I'm sure it was there in that den! Lol


I agree. 50% is accurate. I’ve owned 2 in my life that that we’re legite 70% I keep track of them. Both I got now. One is a walker female that’s a running dog that will tree. Some nights so don’t even get treed. In the hard winter I only had her make 4 legitimate slicks. Some nights I’ve had her tail for hours moving and have to tone her in. She really just don’t gamble. The other one is a English female that will fly through the world ambush style. I have spent a lot of money on hounds. And I will not keep one that I don’t expect to tree a coon every time I unsnap them. But in thin coon where I hunt a dog that is 7 for 10 with 2 legit dens and a slick average is as good as I’ve seen.


Posted by Clovis A Nailor on 03-30-2020 01:49 AM:

I had a Nailor female that was very accurate she wasn't a competition dog.Wanted to be right so she wouldn't lock down fast enough. When she treed I expected to see a coon. Really I can't ever remember her treeing and I would think slick. But if I kept a tally on all the trees she treed on maybe 40% I look at it like this if I don't see a coon that tree don't count even though it's got big hole in it or summer time hunting where you simply can't shine the tree. Be honest with yourself if you where depending on coon meat to survive does that big ole tree count. Now I will agree where you hunt does make a difference.


Posted by shadinc on 03-30-2020 01:52 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis A Nailor
If your seeing 50% of the coons you tree sounds to me you got a real accurate dog. Had a guy tell me he had a 90% accurate dog I called BS so we hunted 3 nights together and started counting. Turns out ole 90% turned into a 30% dog in 3 nights despite what you read on this forum there's no such thing. You make 4 trees 2 dens and look at 2 most call that 100% when really that's 50%.
How many times did he tree where you were positive he didn't have a coon? Four trees with 2 dens might 100%. Might be 50%,but can you hold it against the dog. As long as my dog doesn't make obvious slicks, I'm satisfied. I have a 8 1/2 month old female that's treed 15 times. I was lucky and saw 14 coons. I don't expect to see that many in her next 15 trees, but I think they'll be there.

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Posted by Cotton 1927 on 03-30-2020 01:53 AM:

Slick

If you hunt some nights and your dog doesn't get treed the percent is 0 % you gotta have a tree before you start getting a % I'd rather have a few slicks than not having any trees but that's just me.....Colvis is saying what most don't wanna hear.....l


Posted by shadinc on 03-30-2020 02:04 AM:

Re: Slick

quote:
Originally posted by Cotton 1927
If you hunt some nights and your dog doesn't get treed the percent is 0 % you gotta have a tree before you start getting a % I'd rather have a few slicks than not having any trees but that's just me.....Colvis is saying what most don't wanna hear.....l
Times I want to shine a slick tree: Never, at no time, under no circumstances. I see no reason to walk 500 yards through water, briers, snakes, and mosquitos to shine a slick tree. I can do that in my back yard.

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Posted by Clovis A Nailor on 03-30-2020 02:04 AM:

Here's how that 90% comes into play. Make 10 trees look at 4 coons 5 trees where big trees I know my dog there had to be a coon up there and 1 tree was a fence post. 90%.


Posted by Cotton 1927 on 03-30-2020 02:09 AM:

Re: Re: Slick

quote:
Originally posted by shadinc
Times I want to shine a slick tree: Never, at no time, under no circumstances. I see no reason to walk 500 yards through water, briers, snakes, and mosquitos to shine a slick tree. I can do that in my back yard.
well i sure ain't gonna listen to a dog booooooooo around all night either .......just saying a dog that don't tree enough ain't never gonna be a high % dog either


Posted by Clovis A Nailor on 03-30-2020 02:14 AM:

I think what the man that started the thread meant to say is I have a 10% accurate dog is there any way to get him to 25%


Posted by N Williams on 03-30-2020 03:25 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis A Nailor
I had a Nailor female that was very accurate she wasn't a competition dog.Wanted to be right so she wouldn't lock down fast enough. When she treed I expected to see a coon. Really I can't ever remember her treeing and I would think slick. But if I kept a tally on all the trees she treed on maybe 40% I look at it like this if I don't see a coon that tree don't count even though it's got big hole in it or summer time hunting where you simply can't shine the tree. Be honest with yourself if you where depending on coon meat to survive does that big ole tree count. Now I will agree where you hunt does make a difference.


Few years ago I keep a tally on my English female at major hunts. You may not believe this but I promise this is true. Pkc nation championship I believe 2016 early round 2-2. Late round one for one. Next round 2 for 2 got beat. Then took her to walker days that same year. First night 1-1. 2nd night 2-2. 3rd night 4-4 highest scoring dog. Took her to world hunt. Early round 3-3. Late round 1-2 with a slick cir got in. Next round 3for3 got beat. Next year took her to walker days 2for2 first night. 3for3 night 2 highest scoring dog. I know at the truck hunts 3 we put her in she was 12 for 13 and her one that wasn’t pluses was a den. Only won one cast. These are just the major hunts I can remember we put her in. In Illinois at walker days and PKC National Championship and world hunt she was scored on 25 trees and plused on 24.


Posted by Clovis A Nailor on 03-30-2020 04:01 AM:

That's very impressive I'm not saying they don't exist I just have never seen one of that caliber and I've coon hunted for 40 years. Where I live there are several well known handlers so alot of times a $50 0pen entry can have the same people you see in the finals at the super stakes


Posted by N Williams on 03-30-2020 04:16 AM:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Clovis A Nailor
That's very impressive I'm not saying they don't exist I just have never seen one of that caliber and I've coon hunted for 40 years. Where I live there are several well known handlers so alot of times a $50 0pen entry can have the same people you see in the finals at the super stakes [/QUOTE

I will tell you the walker that’s a running dog that will tree is much more pleasurable to hunt. It doesn’t matter when you cut her what time of year ect she’s the same with her accuracy. She DONT WANT TO tree she trees cause there is no more track to run. The English female just wouldn’t miss unless the accords were falling or it was brutally cold. But the English bitch would switch zip codes if she was dry holed. So many cast she lost because she would be out of hearing under the meat.


Posted by N Williams on 03-30-2020 04:16 AM:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Clovis A Nailor
That's very impressive I'm not saying they don't exist I just have never seen one of that caliber and I've coon hunted for 40 years. Where I live there are several well known handlers so alot of times a $50 0pen entry can have the same people you see in the finals at the super stakes [/QUOTE

I will tell you the walker that’s a running dog that will tree is much more pleasurable to hunt. It doesn’t matter when you cut her what time of year ect she’s the same with her accuracy. She DONT WANT TO tree she trees cause there is no more track to run. The English female just wouldn’t miss unless the accords were falling or it was brutally cold. But the English bitch would switch zip codes if she was dry holed. So many cast she lost because she would be out of hearing under the meat.


Posted by Clovis A Nailor on 03-30-2020 05:11 AM:

I see that leaving the country will get you beat alot. Really don't know why they breed for it. These are small areas we hunt lots of clear cuts and deep run off creeks. Lots of trees that blow over across the deep walled creeks you don't know how many times I have seen dogs blow up treed on them logs. Seen a dog leave out the other night at a hunt went about a mile but didn't have the mouth to hear him he knew he was treed really quick but couldn't talk any one into hearing him. Went to him after the hunt had a coon in the only oak tree in a forty acre clear.


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