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Posted by SLR on 12-02-2016 01:05 AM:

Right to retrieve

Does Ky. Not have the right to retrieve law now? If not the association needs to go to work on our politicians to get this back I had a friend go get his dog the other night had permission on a farm dogs treed they crossed a log road to more woods no fence no signs and got on a trail camera game warden showed up at his house and said you got a ticket coming he said why he told him being on property without permission not trespassing he asked what he was supposed to do call him and he told him he couldn't go with him either without permission

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Posted by MIKE CARDER on 12-02-2016 01:15 AM:

No they don't have it.

4. Permission for Retrievals - Permission needs to be sought from the landowner for the retrieval of hunting dogs and shot animals that have strayed onto their property. The KDWF has strict regulations on what a hunter may and may not do in such circumstances, but the onus is on the individual to avoid straying onto private land whenever possible. The landowner is under no obligation to grant permission for the retrieval of game from their property.

5. Prosecution of Trespassers - In Kentucky many KDWF owned parks and forests share a boundary with private land and trespassing is bound to happen; both deliberate and accidental. Landowners may prosecute those hunters found trespassing on their land without permission.

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Posted by SLR on 12-02-2016 02:24 PM:

Law

Can the Ky Houndsman Asso. Try to get this law reinstated?

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Posted by SLR on 12-03-2016 04:12 AM:

Law

He said he couldn't go anywhere without permission

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Posted by RAT Mafia on 12-03-2016 04:16 AM:

This is the very reason mine know what the tone button means.


Posted by MIKE CARDER on 12-03-2016 04:34 AM:

Well

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This is the very reason mine know what the tone button means.


I taught my new to read the posted signs and to know who was an out of state land owner. Lol.

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Posted by RAT Mafia on 12-03-2016 04:38 AM:

And learn to walk with the lights out!


Posted by johnny reb on 12-06-2016 02:45 PM:

My understanding is call local law enforcement. The wording in Kentucky is you're not allowed too trespass in Kentucky without permission too retrieve GAME. I'm sure if you're caught retrieving just the dog a good lawyer could argue the case.


Posted by qchounds on 12-06-2016 03:12 PM:

I don't care what state I am in, I am getting my dog. Too many dogs get shot every year for me to wait around. I have had my picture on a couple trail cameras.... maybe the guy who owned the camera thought I was bigfoot...

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Posted by SLR on 12-06-2016 09:49 PM:

Retrieving

That's one part I don't understand Johnny Reb the game warden says it's not trespassing u

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Posted by Joe Mueller on 12-06-2016 11:11 PM:

They dont understand u couldve stole there trail camera but u didnt. This land is my land this land is your land. Im a land owner myself coon hunt as u wish just dont get caught hunting during deer season.

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Posted by croatankid on 12-07-2016 05:12 PM:

If I was a land owner and charged someone with trespassing for getting their dog or game and they didn't do anything else, I'd be afraid they'd come back and burn the woods or my barn or break my windshield. A lot of folks can be vindictive.

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Posted by Gyp on 12-31-2016 06:05 AM:

Retrieve

According to the Ky. Houndsman Association you have the right to recover your property and are looking into this case right now.

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Posted by Jeff Farthing on 12-31-2016 06:10 PM:

Right to retrieve

Don't think that has ever been a law in Ky. The Houndsmen Assc. has worked toward if for years, but pretty sure it never passed. I was on the board for several yrs. However, you do have the right to recover your personal property but you must be accompanied by law enforcement. They do not have to permission if you have proof or file a complaint.

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Posted by Greg Burks on 12-31-2016 07:03 PM:

I'm a land owner and I worked and paid for ever inch of it so it's not my land and your land because you didn't pay a dime on it....every one around these parts knows if they have a dog or shot game on my property they are more than welcome to retrieve it without calling me first....but if you don't know me and I don't know you and catch you we gonna have a problem if your one of those arrogant I'm gonna get my dog no matter who it belongs to guys that think they can do what they please.....


Posted by Gyp on 01-01-2017 12:05 AM:

Retrieve

The land that I own now has been in my family for the last 150 years and I'm 65 to my knowledge it has never hurt it a bit for someone to walk across it and I never heard my father or Grand father say anything about it. Some day you might need that stranger to pull you out of a ditch or a burning vehicle or even worse one of your family I would hate for them to say that's the arrogant------- just leave him be

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Posted by chaz2012 on 01-01-2017 02:46 PM:

Re: Retrieve

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Originally posted by Gyp
The land that I own now has been in my family for the last 150 years and I'm 65 to my knowledge it has never hurt it a bit for someone to walk across it and I never heard my father or Grand father say anything about it. Some day you might need that stranger to pull you out of a ditch or a burning vehicle or even worse one of your family I would hate for them to say that's the arrogant------- just leave him be
Amen and I own a lot more property than most, I am happy that the hunters look out for things, if they see a fence down they fix it , a cow down they call me, they see someone else hunting there they leave and don't call me to complain, all I ask them is to get along and they do.

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Posted by Jfraley357 on 01-01-2017 10:08 PM:

In ohio i was told that if i count get ahold of a land owner to put the rife away go get the dogs and get out like a ghoast then again most people up here understand dogs are dogs they cant read

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Posted by steve pickett on 01-01-2017 11:00 PM:

ive been told a game warden has more rights than a state trooper and does not need permission to cross anyones property.if thats true than he has the right to go with you to retrieve your dog.if he refuses to go than i would contact another warden...

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Posted by dixon on 01-01-2017 11:04 PM:

don't matter what u been told. u can read ur rights on ky fish and game website


Posted by hillbilly56 on 01-02-2017 12:24 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by steve pickett
ive been told a game warden has more rights than a state trooper and does not need permission to cross anyones property.if thats true than he has the right to go with you to retrieve your dog.if he refuses to go than i would contact another warden...
wardens in this state has more power than our state police and most corrupt sobs here in this state


Posted by Josh Michaelis on 01-02-2017 01:00 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Greg Burks
I'm a land owner and I worked and paid for ever inch of it so it's not my land and your land because you didn't pay a dime on it....every one around these parts knows if they have a dog or shot game on my property they are more than welcome to retrieve it without calling me first....but if you don't know me and I don't know you and catch you we gonna have a problem if your one of those arrogant I'm gonna get my dog no matter who it belongs to guys that think they can do what they please.....


How would they know it is yours and how to get ahold of you at 2am on a Wednesday?

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Posted by steve pickett on 01-02-2017 02:08 AM:

most hunters have there name on the dogs collar with phone number or at least i do...

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Posted by novicane65 on 01-02-2017 02:14 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
How would they know it is yours and how to get ahold of you at 2am on a Wednesday?


He must have his number next to his name on his posted signs. The only way I can think of. I try and be courteous. And go around to neighboring properties to the ones I'm going to hunt. And if they're a a-hole then I just don't even call. Put gun in truck go and get the dog.


Posted by joey on 01-02-2017 02:41 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by steve pickett
ive been told a game warden has more rights than a state trooper and does not need permission to cross anyones property.if thats true than he has the right to go with you to retrieve your dog.if he refuses to go than i would contact another warden...



That’s a rumor that’s been spread about wardens everywhere. They are law enforcement that’s all they go by the same rules.

A right to retrieve is kind of a sticky subject. How can we argue we have the right to go get something on someone else’s land? Especially when we turned it loose knowing it might get on their land. It’s not the same as a horse or a cow that got out by accident.

Every time it happens to me I do the same thing. I turn my light up and go get my dog. I make sure my light is on and visible because I do not want them thinking I’m steaking around. If I get caught I tell them I'm sorry and I'm trying to get my dog out of here before it disturbs them. Has worked every time. I've took a cussing or two but I have also gotten permission in places I didn’t have before. The important thing is I have never gotten a ticket.

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