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Posted by Gr.Nt.Ch.Plott on 05-01-2014 04:29 AM:

Why no New Champions list in Bloodlines?

Why was the New Champions List not listed in the Coonhound Bloodlines this month?? This is really the only way for breeders to keep up with the offspring out of there dogs without buying a PAD from UKC every few months, is this a money thing from UKC or what? It has been in the coonhound bloodlines for many years & mabey from the start & now they pulled it??????

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Posted by Todd K / UKC on 05-01-2014 02:10 PM:

Yes! It most definitely is a money thing. It's called trying to lose the least amount of money possible each month in publishing a magazine. You are going to see some changes to the magazine. But it is an effort to provide the most cost effective balance. What you will not see is less information being available to you the breeder or the participant. We have website space where we can continue to list anything we remove from the magazine. It's all being worked on as we speak. Stay tuned...

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Posted by Ryan J on 05-01-2014 02:26 PM:

Hmm why don't we really make it simple charge 10 bucks a year to be a member and make your website so you can type in a dog's ukc number, dogs name, or breeders name and it will show a record of every on of their pups and their wins.

Posted by Ringo08 on 05-01-2014 04:22 PM:

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Originally posted by Ryan J
Hmm why don't we really make it simple charge 10 bucks a year to be a member and make your website so you can type in a dog's ukc number, dogs name, or breeders name and it will show a record of every on of their pups and their wins.

Posted by Gr.Nt.Ch.Plott on 05-01-2014 04:33 PM:

There is a lot of riff raff in the book that could be cut instead of this list, with the small breeds ( ie Am. Lep, Redbone, Plotts, ) this list is a very easy way for long time Coon Hound Bloodlines subscribers to keep up with what dogs in there breed have made Nt.Ch. or Gr.Nt.Ch. & many of these older people have no computer or computer access. I know my Pa calls every month after the book comes out wanting to know if I know this dog or that dog & what they are out of because of this list. He likes to stay informed on the Plott Breed but there is no way you, me or anyone else will get him online, he's 90 years old & never turned on a computer.... I just hate to see it go, it keeps people ( esp. in the smaller breeds) informed on what dogs in there breed are now Ch's....... I sure hate to see it go & I think the Coonhound Bloodlines will lose some subscriptions from this, it was usually only a couple or 3 pages & seeing's how much a full page B&W advertisement is, it seems like a small price to pay to keep many customers happy, informed, & the people hunting the hunts names in front of the public in there respective breeds, they are the ones spending gas money & entry money to UKC to earn the titles I think UKC should give them the respect & publish there name, the dogs name & the breeders name in it's magazine...... With this list, each performance sire, each classified ad being online why does anyone need to subscribe to the magazine? All the hunts are online now everything in the book (except the ads people pay for) is available online for free...... I think when a lot of people figure this out several subscriptions will drop.... I just saved myself $45 that's a extra tank of gas to go hunting on.........

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Posted by 8hawg on 05-01-2014 04:55 PM:

Lower advertising rates may help. Not many folks can spend $400 a month for a color ad. I believe you would see an increase in advertisers and regular advertisers if they could come up with a lower advertising rate.JMO

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-01-2014 04:59 PM:

Oh my goodness, the rumors are true. UKC is going broke!

Posted by krazyassndn on 05-01-2014 05:51 PM:

really sucks for someone who just got into coon hunting and turned there dog into a nitech now I will never see it in the book kinda sucks this was the month it would of came out in I look at the winners first thing each month guess there won't be any need to get anymore I can see all the other stuff in pkc and cooner

Posted by Levi Hawk on 05-01-2014 06:42 PM:

In my mind (take it for what its worth) today's UKC is for keeping track of pedigrees and titles. Some folks base dogs off titles. UKC has hunts for titles. These hunts bring in money. So why of all things would the titles list be something to go? I agree with posting titles on the website. Time would be the same for input once the setup was taken care of. No more production costs. I've also thought a page for club results would be good. Something that could be easily searched. May also keep some "buddy clubs" honest when dogs/guys only do well in certain locations. I just feel education is key in bettering our hounds of today. With our dying sport the more help and support we can get the better. JMO

Posted by Smoke on 05-01-2014 06:42 PM:

Ditch the performance sire listing and put the new champions back in. That's one of the only things I read in the magazine

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Posted by Bob Gleason on 05-01-2014 06:50 PM:

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Originally posted by 8hawg
Lower advertising rates may help. Not many folks can spend $400 a month for a color ad. I believe you would see an increase in advertisers and regular advertisers if they could come up with a lower advertising rate.JMO

YEP

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Posted by K. Singletary on 05-01-2014 06:57 PM:

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Originally posted by Smoke
Ditch the performance sire listing and put the new champions back in. That's one of the only things I read in the magazine

I agree, the new champions section is the first thing I look at, often times the only thing. The performance sires are already listed on the internet.

I guess a pole to see what people want to see in the magazine and what we could do without is out of the question.

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Posted by Todd K / UKC on 05-01-2014 07:21 PM:

Thanks for the suggestions and input. I will be glad to bring it up in house.

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Posted by Scott Grogan on 05-01-2014 07:30 PM:

Why not conduct a survey of the readers to see which sections/articles are valued the most?

Posted by CrossbreedCur on 05-01-2014 07:49 PM:

I just titled my first dog to champion and was really looking forward to seeing his and my name on the list... it was going to be something I could put up and keep to pull out and show my kids and grandkids and go look what papaw did back in the day... titling that dog was something I was proud of but now I can't show it off in bloodlines.... I'm really disappointed in that decision to pull it from the magazine.....

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Posted by Todd K / UKC on 05-01-2014 07:53 PM:

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Originally posted by Scott Grogan
Why not conduct a survey of the readers to see which sections/articles are valued the most?

We are working on one right now.

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Posted by B Thompson on 05-01-2014 08:24 PM:

http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/WebP...ounds/NewTitles

Posted by RED REBELS on 05-01-2014 08:35 PM:

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Originally posted by Todd K / UKC
Yes! It most definitely is a money thing. It's called trying to lose the least amount of money possible each month in publishing a magazine. You are going to see some changes to the magazine. But it is an effort to provide the most cost effective balance. What you will not see is less information being available to you the breeder or the participant. We have website space where we can continue to list anything we remove from the magazine. It's all being worked on as we speak. Stay tuned...

this is a hard hard thing to do, magazines are one of the few companies that you pay for something you will receive thing over a matter of time, rather than right away... My parents had one while I was growing up, it is very hard to keep ALL of your customers happy at the same time, as well as ensure they are getting the best bang for their buck.

Good luck with it! As long as you keep the articles good and the "kids corner" in it, me and my family will be happy!

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Posted by Smoke on 05-01-2014 08:48 PM:

The feb issue had 19 pages used for listing the performance sires. Also quite a few pages of beagle stuff.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 05-01-2014 08:52 PM:

Every day on this board some dummy just cant help but remind folks that titles dont mean a thing, titles are all won by cheaters, a title dont mean what it used to, and my personal favorite, titles dont tree coon.

Seems funny now when UKC. doesnt publish those titles they suddenly become important.

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Posted by krazyassndn on 05-01-2014 09:19 PM:

i only hunt ukc for titles not much of a reason to hunt them in not for the title guess chkc is going to be the best hunt around

Posted by 8hawg on 05-01-2014 10:29 PM:

There are nearly 1000, yes one thousand UKC Performance Sires and only approximately on an average 2 dozen, yes 24 give or take a little month after month that advertise in the Coonhound Bloodlines. Why? I can only speak for myself and a few folks I know, that the price for advertising in the Bloodlines is much too expensive, for the regular working man and woman to afford on a regular basis.IMO this is an excellent opportunity for the magazine and UKC to do some reconstruction and rethinking to improve and help themselves and at the same ime benefit "us" the hunters and hounds man. Just an idea- you have nearly 1000 Performance sires with I'm sure a high percentage of them would like to see their stud advertised in the magazine. Make them some offers to participate in the advertising.

Can this work: Cut backs on what has normally been offered for the same price. Basically saying pay the same and get less for your money. This seems to be a common approach anymore nowadays. Does it work?

Can this work: Cut rates offer more than what has been the normal. Potential for an increase in customer base. Potential of more advertisers?

24x400= 9600

50 x ? = ?

100 x ?=?
Can cut rates and increased advertisers work? If it does work does it have the potential for increased subscriptions? Can this be more profitable to the company and more satisfying to the customer?

Can cutting back on the product(What the magazine offers) and keeping the same rates have the potential of increasing advertisers? Will this also potentially increase the subscribers? Will this approach be more profitable to the company and at the same time increase customers and customer satisfaction?

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Posted by CrossbreedCur on 05-01-2014 10:38 PM:

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
Every day on this board some dummy just cant help but remind folks that titles dont mean a thing, titles are all won by cheaters, a title dont mean what it used to, and my personal favorite, titles dont tree coon.

Seems funny now when UKC. doesnt publish those titles they suddenly become important.

Mr. I bear hunt with my hounds and have always wanted to have one titled... so I decided to do the bench show thing. I drug my best looking hound out and started looking and asking questions of what was expected of me and the dog... I worked my but off and the dog thought the bench was his new home... I found a few local shows and we went. I didn't know a soul there at any of them and I wasn't a member of said clubs. I worked my but off for that CH title and for you to say that everyone with a titled dog is a cheater is wrong. IV never cheated at or on anything in my life except a spelling test in 3rd grade and I got caught doing that.... I can't speculate on cheating in night hunts cause iv never been in one. You can't judge every titled dog and every club out there because of shady dealings at a handful of others. Stop going and supporting clubs like that and they will soon curl up and die.

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Posted by Smoke on 05-02-2014 03:38 AM:

John I pay a subscription for the magazine. Now I am getting less for my money than I got last month.

I read 3 things in the magazine. The new champions, the event results, and the top reproducer list.

I'm glad that the list is online and not done away with. It might have gone smoother if UKC would have announced that it would be removed from the mag And only be available online.

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Posted by david r on 05-02-2014 05:37 AM:

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
Every day on this board some dummy just cant help but remind folks that titles dont mean a thing, titles are all won by cheaters, a title dont mean what it used to, and my personal favorite, titles dont tree coon.

Seems funny now when UKC. doesnt publish those titles they suddenly become important.

The people concerned about the no longer published titled dog list are not the same dummies bashing titles.

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