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Posted by bgs2009 on 03-27-2014 02:53 PM:

Walkers in Black and Tans???

When did walkers get introduced into the black and tans and is there any proof of it? If you google black and tan coonhound it talks about them being a cross from bloodhound and Virginia fox hound. Im just curious and want to learn more about the breed.

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Posted by Bill(Chew) on 03-28-2014 12:25 PM:

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Posted by bgs2009 on 03-28-2014 02:07 PM:

So is he the only one? Was that years ago? Are there some lines that dont have any walker?

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Posted by forreststrickla on 03-28-2014 02:20 PM:

They all have walker in them. A foxhound is a walker

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Posted by bgs2009 on 03-28-2014 03:04 PM:

Sorry for the questions if they have been asked before, i just enjoy learning. Im not a colorblind person when it comes to coondogs but i sure enjoy them black and tans.

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Posted by Slowpoke 2012 on 03-28-2014 03:23 PM:

Clay

Your good. I'm full of questions my self. This is just one of those topics that has been beat to death lately and it always causes a fire storm of opinions and perspective. Glad you like B&T though.

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Posted by dawgg03 on 03-28-2014 04:06 PM:

July is a fox hound this is what was used to cross on. Now a walker is a slick treeing idiot that lies and is not in all the black breed.

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Posted by Lovis Burns on 03-28-2014 04:07 PM:

BGS2009 in the origin the Black and Tan Coonhound doesn't have Treeing Walkers in them. People have crossed walkers in to the black and tans.

Check out the video link below and it will explain.

The Black and Tan Coonhound is descended from the Talbot hound, found in medieval England after the eleventh century. Its ancestry is then traced through the Bloodhound and the Foxhound to the Virginia Foxhound, commonly called the "black and tan".

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Posted by Pigeon on 03-29-2014 01:29 AM:

The good Black dogs usually have a walker within their third generation or closer.

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Posted by nitehunter2004 on 03-29-2014 07:40 AM:

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July is a fox hound this is what was used to cross on. Now a walker is a slick treeing idiot that lies and is not in all the black breed.

wow..

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Posted by John Duncan on 03-29-2014 12:12 PM:

All breeds have there culls and all breeds have top notch hounds.we can't be that narrow minded mike.

Posted by forreststrickla on 03-29-2014 02:04 PM:

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July is a fox hound this is what was used to cross on. Now a walker is a slick treeing idiot that lies and is not in all the black breed.

Mike all of them aren't slick treeing idiots if they were they wouldn't be winning like they are. There is also some black dogs that are slick treeing idiots.

Posted by dawgg03 on 03-29-2014 02:52 PM:

Yes I've seen a few black dogs that need a bullet. Yes just running my mouth but I've seen far more of them spotted dogs that are tree idiots . Not saying there aren't some good ones I know where a dandy is . I had one out of a big name walker one night made 11 trees 1 coon haha.

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Posted by berger on 03-29-2014 03:38 PM:

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I had one out of a big name walker one night made 11 trees 1 coon haha.

Mike just be glad it was only 11 trees and had at least 1 coon...LOL

I had a BNT once that I got started hunted him all summer and seen only 3 coons. It was nothing to make 5 to 10 trees a night. Never saw him leave a tree that summer and he would take tree pressure. Even saw him in a bean field treed on a bean stalk one night lucky he didn't try climbing on it as it would have broke off. Always said if he ever decided to run a deer he would probably just sit down and tree boy was I wrong.. He flat scooted out of the country 1 night and I went and got him the next day when he came into a farmers place. LOL

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Posted by John D on 03-29-2014 03:50 PM:

I don't see where it matters. ALL dog breeds go back to a wolf, if you go back far enough. B&T, Walker and the other coonhound breeds have an interwoven history. The lines between breeds weren't nearly so distinct, back then. Papers didn't mean that much and if a guy needed a registered dog, it wasn't such a big deal to just apply papers from some other dog. Most, if not all, of the foundation of the B&T breed comes through dogs that were dirty papered. If there are any left that weren't dirty papered, then their off breeding is still there, its just further back.

There is spotted dog breeding in the B&T breed history, but there is also black and tan dogs in the walker breed history. I can find walkers today that have little pumpkin seeds above their eyes and blanket backs. Tennessee Lead, a black and tan colored dog, was a foundation sire of the running walkers, who preceded the treeing walkers.

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Posted by dawgg03 on 03-29-2014 03:59 PM:

Haha yea that does put a diffrent perspective on things. I do know I guy up here that has a nice walker he's eight and been a straight dog from about 8 months not trashy when not if he trees there is a coon. Only one I've seen hunt not blow through the woods but then again being fare not hunted with their top dogs. I just like em black

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Posted by Chad Doolin on 03-29-2014 04:47 PM:

quote:
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The good Black dogs usually have a walker within their third generation or closer.

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Posted by MikeR on 04-03-2014 03:41 PM:

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Originally posted by dawgg03
Yes I've seen a few black dogs that need a bullet. Yes just running my mouth but I've seen far more of them spotted dogs that are tree idiots . Not saying there aren't some good ones I know where a dandy is . I had one out of a big name walker one night made 11 trees 1 coon haha.

Buddy I'll let you in on a secret....the Walker breed doesn't have the monopoly when it comes to slick treeing idiots.

2 years ago I tried a 4 yo Black female from a fairly well known B&T fancier and breeder. 3 nights hunting = 19 trees, 1 tree with a squirrel and 18 slicks. I've seen more than my fair share of Black dogs that make Walkers look accurate!

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Posted by shane_atchison on 04-03-2014 05:40 PM:

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Buddy I'll let you in on a secret....the Walker breed doesn't have the monopoly when it comes to slick treeing idiots.

The Walker breed has the most, but we're trying to catch em... A cold nosed accurate track dog cannot compete with a hot nosed semi-accurate treedog in a 2hr hunt.

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Posted by dawgg03 on 04-03-2014 06:26 PM:

Mike R that's not a secret I have seen black dogs do just what you say. But for the most part not as many and yes that hot nosed medium accurate dog is hard to beat in two hours till they miss .Look just running my mouth cuttin up seen a few good walker dogs I like. I'm not on the walker board bashing them so keep hunting what makes you happy that's what it's about anyway

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