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Posted by bigdavidbeebe on 10-16-2013 10:06 PM:

Turn Outs At Major Hunts,

I have seen some turnouts at major hunts that are a 1/4 of what they used to be. so tell me what makes you want to go to the major hunts?

The last one was this last weekend it was a acha world hunt and only had 24 entries , this same hunt last year had around 50 and yr before had 120 something I think.

Now it doesn't look like the ukc hunts have taken such a big hit but have declined so tell me what does it take to get the numbers back up.

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Posted by JiM on 10-16-2013 10:26 PM:

The deal breaker for me is the hunt format. If the hunt is won by highest score brought in, I'm out. If the hunt is a hunt off type format where you beat the dogs you draw until you get beat or win it all, I'm in.

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Posted by Dbradbury3 on 10-16-2013 10:53 PM:

Well said Jim they need to go to double cast wins just like the world hunt for ever two night event

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Posted by RAT Mafia on 10-16-2013 11:18 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
The deal breaker for me is the hunt format. If the hunt is won by highest score brought in, I'm out. If the hunt is a hunt off type format where you beat the dogs you draw until you get beat or win it all, I'm in.

AGREED.

Posted by Payton Young on 10-16-2013 11:32 PM:

The deal breaker for myself is lack of dog power. Plain and simple if I come across one good enough im coming to town regardless of above issues

Posted by JiM on 10-16-2013 11:33 PM:

I think the UKC World Hunt is the most makeable world hunt for the common working man because it is all weekend hunts except for the Thursday Finals night. It requires the least time off from work and the fewest nights in the motel. If you got an owner paying all the expenses, these are not big issues but if you are a family person doing it on your own, these things make a difference. Of course $27000 goes a long ways towards mitigating those things.......if you can win it!

Posted by perry co cooner on 10-17-2013 02:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
The deal breaker for me is the hunt format. If the hunt is won by highest score brought in, I'm out. If the hunt is a hunt off type format where you beat the dogs you draw until you get beat or win it all, I'm in.

Just curious Jim is this bc some high scores come in and might not be on the up and up or do you not like them for other reasons?

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Posted by Butler Creek on 10-17-2013 07:21 AM:

I would guess because the scores have alot do to with the guide you draw get a good one tree a few coons win your cast with a big score get a bad one and tree one coon win your cast dogs worked the same just luck of the draw

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Posted by DylanHovey on 10-17-2013 07:25 AM:

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I would guess because the scores have alot do to with the guide you draw get a good one tree a few coons win your cast with a big score get a bad one and tree one coon win your cast dogs worked the same just luck of the draw

Exactly

Posted by Tori on 10-17-2013 11:24 AM:

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Posted by rweller on 10-17-2013 01:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
I think the UKC World Hunt is the most makeable world hunt for the common working man because it is all weekend hunts except for the Thursday Finals night. It requires the least time off from work and the fewest nights in the motel. If you got an owner paying all the expenses, these are not big issues but if you are a family person doing it on your own, these things make a difference. Of course $27000 goes a long ways towards mitigating those things.......if you can win it!

Jim, you can still go to the other KC and only go on Thursday night and get in. Of course you are limiting your chances. Hotel cost would still be the same or cheaper because you not going for two weekends. Entry might be a tad higher (depending on if you nominated your dog earlier in the year) but you also have the chance of getting all that back IF you make the semi finals. I have seen many dogs only hunt on Thursday night at the other KC and get in.
Plus the fact with UKC you have to go to two different parts of the country two weekends in a row. A lot of travel and gas. IMO UKC is not any cheaper than the other KC.

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Posted by JiM on 10-17-2013 02:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rweller
Jim, you can still go to the other KC and only go on Thursday night and get in. Of course you are limiting your chances. Hotel cost would still be the same or cheaper because you not going for two weekends. Entry might be a tad higher (depending on if you nominated your dog earlier in the year) but you also have the chance of getting all that back IF you make the semi finals. I have seen many dogs only hunt on Thursday night at the other KC and get in.
Plus the fact with UKC you have to go to two different parts of the country two weekends in a row. A lot of travel and gas. IMO UKC is not any cheaper than the other KC.

You make some excellent points and I don't want any part of another one verses the other argument. Great that we have both of them.

Posted by bigdavidbeebe on 10-17-2013 03:18 PM:

ok so looks like a lot of folks say location,, what is the max you are willing to drive to a major hunt?

Posted by Redgy Ramsey on 10-17-2013 03:20 PM:

TOO MANY HUNTS THESE DAYS. A HUNTER NOW HAS TO PICK IN CHOOSE WHERE TO GO, NOBODY CAN MAKE THEM ALL. THEY USE TO BE LIKE ONE MAJOR HUNT EVERY 3 OR 4 MONTHS AND EVERYONE WOULD WAIT TO GO TO THAT HUNT. THE WAY IT IS NOW YOU CAN GO TO WHAT PEOPLE CALL A MAJOR HUNT EVERY WEEKEND SOME WHERE. THE KENNEL CLUBS NOW IF THEY HAVE A 100 DOGS IN 4 HUNTS IN A 100 MILE RADIUS THEY MAKE MORE MONEY THAN ONE HUNT WITH A 100 DOGS BECAUSE OF LICENSE FEES AND EVERYTHING. WITH REGISTRIES HAVING A HUNT 6 NIGHTS A WEEK THEY ARE WAY TOO MANY HUNTS THESE DAYS. PRESTIGE OF WINNING DON'T MEAN WHAT IT ONCE DID FOR SURE.

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Posted by Wes Coffman on 10-17-2013 03:25 PM:

quote:
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TOO MANY HUNTS THESE DAYS. A HUNTER NOW HAS TO PICK IN CHOOSE WHERE TO GO, NOBODY CAN MAKE THEM ALL. THEY USE TO BE LIKE ONE MAJOR HUNT EVERY 3 OR 4 MONTHS AND EVERYONE WOULD WAIT TO GO TO THAT HUNT. THE WAY IT IS NOW YOU CAN GO TO WHAT PEOPLE CALL A MAJOR HUNT EVERY WEEKEND SOME WHERE. THE KENNEL CLUBS NOW IF THEY HAVE A 100 DOGS IN 4 HUNTS IN A 100 MILE RADIUS THEY MAKE MORE MONEY THAN ONE HUNT WITH A 100 DOGS BECAUSE OF LICENSE FEES AND EVERYTHING. WITH REGISTRIES HAVING A HUNT 6 NIGHTS A WEEK THEY ARE WAY TOO MANY HUNTS THESE DAYS. PRESTIGE OF WINNING DON'T MEAN WHAT IT ONCE DID FOR SURE.

Exactly!

Posted by JiM on 10-17-2013 04:25 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by perry co cooner
Just curious Jim is this bc some high scores come in and might not be on the up and up or do you not like them for other reasons?

I know very well what it takes to win in a "highest score wins" format and I don't care to operate that way. I enjoy just hunting against the dogs drawn, hunt where the guide takes you, win your cast by beating the dogs you draw and move on to the next round.

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 10-17-2013 04:46 PM:

I never hunted Autumn Oaks until they changed the format to the Grand 16. I'm not taking anything away from past winners but knowing good and well you had to score around 1600-1800 points to even have a chance was laughable, weather they were honest or dis-honest.

I don't hit the big hunts. They are 60% dog power and the other 40% luck on drawing a good guide. I'm with jim beating who you draw is the way to go because we can't control what goes on in the other casts.

Also, I don't care the hunt format or what kennel club you are in you have to have dogs willing to get treed and stay treed. It only takes one dog that trails all night to ruin a good cast I have been here many times, big and small hunts.

With the economy and gas prices the way they are I woul say that also has a huge factor in entries at major hunts. Heck gas prices are the number one factor in hurting even local hunts.

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Posted by pigsit on 10-17-2013 06:25 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Redgy Ramsey
TOO MANY HUNTS THESE DAYS. A HUNTER NOW HAS TO PICK IN CHOOSE WHERE TO GO, NOBODY CAN MAKE THEM ALL. THEY USE TO BE LIKE ONE MAJOR HUNT EVERY 3 OR 4 MONTHS AND EVERYONE WOULD WAIT TO GO TO THAT HUNT. THE WAY IT IS NOW YOU CAN GO TO WHAT PEOPLE CALL A MAJOR HUNT EVERY WEEKEND SOME WHERE. THE KENNEL CLUBS NOW IF THEY HAVE A 100 DOGS IN 4 HUNTS IN A 100 MILE RADIUS THEY MAKE MORE MONEY THAN ONE HUNT WITH A 100 DOGS BECAUSE OF LICENSE FEES AND EVERYTHING. WITH REGISTRIES HAVING A HUNT 6 NIGHTS A WEEK THEY ARE WAY TOO MANY HUNTS THESE DAYS. PRESTIGE OF WINNING DON'T MEAN WHAT IT ONCE DID FOR SURE.

Redgy is absolutely correct. Tom

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Posted by JustinH23 on 10-17-2013 08:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Payton Young
The deal breaker for myself is lack of dog power. Plain and simple if I come across one good enough im coming to town regardless of above issues

Realistically, I'd say more people are in the same boat, but just won't admit it.

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Posted by perry co cooner on 10-18-2013 03:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
I know very well what it takes to win in a "highest score wins" format and I don't care to operate that way. I enjoy just hunting against the dogs drawn, hunt where the guide takes you, win your cast by beating the dogs you draw and move on to the next round.

I think that's the way I'd enjoy the format if I were hunting also. It seems it would take a lot of "luck" factors out of it ( like one cast gets to hunt cornfields while the other gets stuck mountains) all you'd have to worry about is beating the dogs you're with.

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Posted by jdc on 10-18-2013 03:39 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Redgy Ramsey
TOO MANY HUNTS THESE DAYS. A HUNTER NOW HAS TO PICK IN CHOOSE WHERE TO GO, NOBODY CAN MAKE THEM ALL. THEY USE TO BE LIKE ONE MAJOR HUNT EVERY 3 OR 4 MONTHS AND EVERYONE WOULD WAIT TO GO TO THAT HUNT. THE WAY IT IS NOW YOU CAN GO TO WHAT PEOPLE CALL A MAJOR HUNT EVERY WEEKEND SOME WHERE. THE KENNEL CLUBS NOW IF THEY HAVE A 100 DOGS IN 4 HUNTS IN A 100 MILE RADIUS THEY MAKE MORE MONEY THAN ONE HUNT WITH A 100 DOGS BECAUSE OF LICENSE FEES AND EVERYTHING. WITH REGISTRIES HAVING A HUNT 6 NIGHTS A WEEK THEY ARE WAY TOO MANY HUNTS THESE DAYS. PRESTIGE OF WINNING DON'T MEAN WHAT IT ONCE DID FOR SURE.

Redgy hit the nail on the head in my opinion. There are way to many hunts, I think this is what hurts the numbers and hurts the prestige of the hunt titles.

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Posted by JiM on 10-18-2013 03:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by jdc
Redgy hit the nail on the head in my opinion. There are way to many hunts, I think this is what hurts the numbers and hurts the prestige of the hunt titles.

Yep, we probably all agree on this one but the problem is that it is not something that is ever likely to change. Neither KC is about to give ground on the number of events.

Posted by Todd K / UKC on 10-18-2013 04:12 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Neither KC is about to give ground on the number of events.

This is a little misleading I think. UKC has always restricted how many events a club can have because yes, we also agree that too many events is not healthy for the sport. And with that I'll make two points. 1) I'm not sure if they other registries restrict how many events a club can have but if they do, I'm pretty sure it's not as restrictive as UKC is. And 2) every time a club that is limited out on UKC dates calls in requesting a date and we have to refuse them, they almost always respond with, "Fine, we'll call Registry X." So clubs, not just registries, must share the responsibility that there are too many events.

I think UKC deserves a little credit in this respect because we could certainly sell more hunt licenses but in our opinion that is not in our best interest.

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Posted by JiM on 10-18-2013 05:20 PM:

True enough but I still don't see this problem going away.

Posted by prostockpat on 10-18-2013 06:08 PM:

i like the...

win your cast and move in theory.
kinda like the ncaa basketball tourny brkt.
as long as you win you advance to play again.

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