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Babbling Dogs!

I have noticed over the years this trait is getting worse! As of late I have been on 4 cast and 3 out of those four had dogs that stayed open from truck to tree... This is not reservef to one breed... I was wanting to hear some of your thoughts and some solutions.....

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Alot of the babbling dogs I have seen don't worry me much. But every once in awhile you will draw a babbler that is a coon treeing son of a gun. First and First, very hard to beat.

Most handlers are not going to break there dogs from babbling until one of the registries has a rule that you strike on or before the 3rd bark with no grace period. I think the minute rule is bull$hit. If it never existed, people would break there dogs from babbling. There is no reason for any dog to leave off the chain barking unless there is a track. No need for a 1 minute grace period. I have never understood it. Some say, well they are excited and sometimes bark in the heat of the moment. I say no they are untrained. LOL Just my opinion.

I would agree that babbling dogs are a pain in the rear, but how can you minus if their barking, they're actually showing a track leaving. I would love for UKC to make a rule something about if majority isn't running the track before the minute is up then their babbling but until then what can you do?

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Originally posted by BIGOAK
I would agree that babbling dogs are a pain in the rear, but how can you minus if their barking, they're actually showing a track leaving. I would love for UKC to make a rule something about if majority isn't running the track before the minute is up then their babbling but until then what can you do?

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This is what you get when you combine 1 hour hunts with a points system that gives the dog the same points for barking as it gets for treeing. No, that isn't the way we do it in UKC but the influence has bled over and it is a fact of life now. Call them what you want but I wanna win so give me a dog that strikes when it smells dirt and gets under a coon somewhere.

I've never had a good strike dog, not one, but I'm looking.

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Can't even bring up babbling over yonder. Done banned it. Which I think is bad in its self. Course folks shouldn't be calling out others dogs but should be able to hash it out.I wouldn't mind seeing 125 and a countdown in pkc. I do believe loose barkers are here to stay though. Unless everybody went to a strike rule like akc. Judges can't stop it. Its actually more annoying than anything cause most not all are rattled headed idiots.

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UKC. doesnt say aything about carrying the track, thats a PKC. interpretation.



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The problem is not the simple babbling dog.

That does and excitement bark.. It is the dog that leaves out barking and never quits... I have saw two in the last couple of months that leave out barking and never quit until you pull them off the tree... Even if they dont strike them inside the minute they know their going to stay open and they will strike them as soon as the minute is up...
So the akc rule would not solve the problem...

It worries me that people are willing to listen to a hound running throgh the woods ghost barking to try and win.. and that they would breed such animals......

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UKC had a rule in place to take care of this and have changed to suit the dog ...... If the judges will start inforcing the reformed rule if the handler balks, ask for a vote .... But then everyone wants to scratch a silent dog. takin last strike

I thought any dog barking through the min was struck for 50 or something like that. That would help big time. Im not really up on akc rules though.

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Has anyone ever seen a dog minused for babbling without an argument ensuing? The mere suggestion that a dog was struck babbling will get things all riled up just about every time. That is why no babbling rule that is ever devised will be effectively used by judges in these hunts. Nobody wants to deal with the piss'in match that always comes along with the call. I mean we do this for fun and not many of us enjoy fighting and arguing so who is gonna make a call that basically guarantees an arguement and a fight?

I think the only way to effectively deal with babbling is to make it something that is worthless as opposed to making it a valuable fault which is what it is today. You do that by making strike points neutral. Every strike position is worth the same amount, say 50 points. You have to assign some level of strike points so that you have a means to penalize the other faults such as quitting and coming in, covering late, not being struck on or before the 3rd bark, etc. So strike them all for, say, 50 and the dog that trees the coons will be your winner. The best track dog will get the most first trees, the most first trees will win. Isn't this what we are after anyway?

The only alternative I can see is to quite griping about the loosemouth dogs and just get one yourself.

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The only alternative I can see is to quite griping about the loosemouth dogs and just get one yourself. [/B]

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
I just dont think i could keep from killin it the rest of the week, Guess i will just live and loose with my low end strike dog. I do like being able to strike and treeem in the same breath though.

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Re: The problem is not the simple babbling dog.

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Originally posted by Clay
That does and excitement bark.. It is the dog that leaves out barking and never quits... I have saw two in the last couple of months that leave out barking and never quit until you pull them off the tree... Even if they dont strike them inside the minute they know their going to stay open and they will strike them as soon as the minute is up...
So the akc rule would not solve the problem...

It worries me that people are willing to listen to a hound running throgh the woods ghost barking to try and win.. and that they would breed such animals......

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I will be the first one to admit that I have one that gets gone with her mouth wide open. It doesn't last but a few seconds then stops. I have tried to break her from it but it did not work. She just stopped hunting on me when I tried but is the most accurate I have ever seen ever. She doesn't make a lot of trees just to be treeing but has treed many coon when she gets treed. So I Will live with it.

By the way. I always strike her honest!

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Originally posted by Randy Howard
I'de like to see the 1 minute walk rule cut back to 30 seconds also. jmo

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Re: Re: Re: The problem is not the simple babbling dog.

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
There is no one minute walk rule in UKC. you can cut em right off the tree.

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jim

i thought you had the real deal didn't like your first post thks tim

Yes, ukc DID have a babble rule yrs ago. It was enforced! That's why it's not there now...too many people got Pissed about it. I was on a cast in the early 90's with a Gn cast and the dog opened right off the chain. Judge asked who's dog is that? Bark three times and he minused the dog100. It happen 2 more times in 3 mins and that was when 300minus sent u home. That dig went out in the first 5 mins of the hunt. Next time I hunted with that dog months later it didnt babble.

One nite i was on a hunt years ago and i got drawed out with a MOH of coarse he wasn't the MOH on this hunt but is one, there were 2 walkers, 1 black dog, and my redtick on the cast the black dog babbled all night the MOH called his dog off the the black dog all nite strike&tree 3/4 way thru the hunt he asked who's dog is that leaving out babbling he was the judge i laughed and said u should know you been calling it all night, his was one of the walker dog lol

I agree with Jim trying to minus a dog for babbling seems to be the fastest way to start a big argument. it seems like most of the time there is more than one dog babbling and you will get out voted anyway when the call is questioned. seems to me the only way to fix this is to change the rule if a dog is barking when the minute is up than the strike is only worth fifty or some version of this. I have been pleasure hunting with some of these guys who actually think they are hitting a track off the chain every time they cut.

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i know how to start a fight quicker then minusing a babbler try sratching a dog thats struck and treed in one breath everytime rule 6 (i) a rule thats never enforced !

Can be hard to take care of babblers especially in thick coon...


I lost to a judge that struck his dog on a babble....i threw a fit...last drop of an rqe...i made him start the 8 and it was broke a few seconds shy..by the 3rd dog left in the cast....300-400yds away!

That was a rough cast...ended up qualifying a dog that didnt deserve the win...circled a slick tree..pitched his dog and got super lucky...



Cant stand it...i dont have a big issue with dogs being excited and going out talking for a few seconds...but when they strike in on it i cant stand it...

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