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Mn hound hunters check this out

http://www.trapperman.com/forum/ubb...tml#Post2970829

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Thanks Chris,do you no if theres a mn grouse assoc?

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Jesse nappin
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Yes Jesse there is they are out of Grand Rapids if you want to take a look just type in Mn ruff grouse socitey.

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Thanks chris!

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Jesse nappin
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http://signon.org/sign/safe-public-...mp;r_by=1905165


Sign on and see if we can get somthing done....

I know how to set 220's...I know how to get them off a dog......It has never done me a bit of good....The arrogance of trappers is giong to be the 220's demise.

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I had a dog get caught in a 220 this year while coonhunting. I would have never found him if he wasn't wearing a garmin collar. I was lucky and it was just his leg caught in it. I'm not a trapper and never have been and had no idea how to get the trap to release. Lucky for me my uncle was with me and new how to get it off. This would be a job for one guy I had to hold the dogs mouth shut while he worked on the trap.

Fyi,mnscha facebook page is up and goin,this is good info for on there.also please post upcoming hunts on there

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Jesse nappin
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I emailed links to the petition last night to over 30 people and another dozen or so today.

Go to Star Tribune's web page>Sports>Outdoors and read the article regarding the hunters upset over conibears. Then watch the video of the seasoned trapper with they're PR campaign of how to release a dog from a 220 and take notice how he is short of breath while operating an empty conibear. He makes it look easier than it is, and it ain't that easy with a dog inside wanting to eat you to get free.

I haven't read Chris' link yet but from what I heard the Trappers are preparing for the inevitable loss of using dry land conibear traps and ramping up they're effort to increase snaring.

All these old clubs sitting on moldy money waiting for a war between the anti's, need to open they're eyes and start supporting the efforts like this instead of tallying they're accounts every month only to do nothing with it. Just my opinion of course.

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Originally posted by josh
http://signon.org/sign/safe-public-...mp;r_by=1905165


Sign on and see if we can get somthing done....

I know how to set 220's...I know how to get them off a dog......It has never done me a bit of good....The arrogance of trappers is giong to be the 220's demise.

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I just read a few pages from the link Chris posted...

If that ain't enough to make your blood boil I don't know what is. The arrogance and ignorance is enough to make me want to puke.

The part that gets me is they wannw shorten and change everybody elses seasons so there stuff dont get interupted,I had a good talk with a long time trapper today and VERY ethical trapper,he told me the mn trapper convention is bein held here in town this year and I should go about gettin it protested,i aint bout to do that but its sad when alot of there own are disgusted.

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Jesse nappin
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I would like nothing more than to get along with the trappers...To be honest I have probably done more trapping than most on that forum.

I had a really nice young dog killed in a 220 in 2002, I was upset...Bu just figgured thats the breaks and he wasnt doing anything I havent done.

My biggest problem with the trappers is when they lobbyed to put a season back on coon for no other reason than they were so concerned about the 25 guys in the state that coonhunt might shoot a couple out of season.

With friends like that, who needs enemys?

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I agree 100% Josh!

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Jesse nappin
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I agree Josh. Its no secret how I feel on conibears and snares, but I'm not against trapping. I did a little myself as a kid and had a grandfather that trapped for a living in the late 60's-early 70's.

Its the arrogance and ignorance that spews from the MTA members I've spoken with on various subjects along with the fact that it seems like every couple years MTA is pushing regulation changes that effect coonhunters and houndsmen without ever taking us into consideration.

I don't want to offend my fellow houndsmen, but this John Reynold's fella is making enough noise on the subject doing the exact same thing we've brought up at year's of meetings and were always told it wouldn't work out for one reason or another or because someone wouldn't follow through on it. Now this lone trapper has created a movement and I think we need to get behind him in support.

I'm having trouble with my flash viewer. Anyone know how to take the video from last night's WCCO story and put it to youtube or another format?

I'd like to see it and share it with others.

I e-mailed my state legislator about supporting a law change to outlaw ground sets of any conibear. I think everybody should as they are in session and with enough pressure maybe something will get done. E-mail and call and have anyone with dogs call and e-mail too. I going to do both. With meeting with the trappers assoc. a few years ago,I can tell you they are no friends with dog owners.

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Jesse the trappers convention you were talking bout thats in your town this year is going to be the National Trappers Assocation convetion makes the MN one look awfull small. Im a trapper but do not get along with none the trappers in my area they know I have hounds and you know how that goes.

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Bob, Chris, Josh, etc- can you put into a statement just what we would want the legislation to say? Living in an urban area I have found my representatives to be very open to my suggestions about how to craft hunting trapping laws as they know almost nothing about it, and have not taken sides on these matters yet.

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Once someone has put a good explanation of what exactly we should be advocating go to this site to find your reps
http://www.leg.state.mn.us/leg/districtfinder.aspx
click on the district finder and fire an email.
Forward this info to any hunting friends. It is amazing how much being a squeaky wheel works.

Occupy safe trapping habits.

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patriotism is supporting your country all of the time and your government when it deserves it.
if you think the price of education is high, check out the cost of ignorance!

BTT Need people to contact their Legislators.

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I know that the MN Houndsmen Association and the MN Trappers Assoc. have a fairly long history of conflict and opposing views, BUT I think it might be prudent to find some way to work together to address the problem. There will come a time when the two groups will need to support one another in order for either to survive. Both trappers and houndsmen represent a small percentage of the outdoor sports and an even smaller percentage of the population in general.....and lets face it, neither group is going to get any positive attention from outside our ranks, and especially the media.
With that being said, has anyone checked with neighboring states to see what their trapping laws are? Might there be something more acceptable for dog people than what you currently have that would still be palatable for the trappers? For instance, here in SD setting body grip traps on 5 gallon pails is not legal, and dryland sets with them have some specific guidelines as well. I don't trap anymore so I haven't kept up with the regs, but we have a lot of trappers around here and have not had problems like what is currently being discussed on this thread.
Just something to consider.

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Originally posted by Cowboyred
I know that the MN Houndsmen Association and the MN Trappers Assoc. have a fairly long history of conflict and opposing views, BUT I think it might be prudent to find some way to work together to address the problem. There will come a time when the two groups will need to support one another in order for either to survive. Both trappers and houndsmen represent a small percentage of the outdoor sports and an even smaller percentage of the population in general.....and lets face it, neither group is going to get any positive attention from outside our ranks, and especially the media.
With that being said, has anyone checked with neighboring states to see what their trapping laws are? Might there be something more acceptable for dog people than what you currently have that would still be palatable for the trappers? For instance, here in SD setting body grip traps on 5 gallon pails is not legal, and dryland sets with them have some specific guidelines as well. I don't trap anymore so I haven't kept up with the regs, but we have a lot of trappers around here and have not had problems like what is currently being discussed on this thread.
Just something to consider.

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What is already being advocated is banning 220's from public land......

Assuming this would include right of way sets, that would take care of 90% of conibears IMO.

I would like to see them off the ground or under water also.

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Originally posted by josh
What is already being advocated is banning 220's from public land......

Assuming this would include right of way sets, that would take care of 90% of conibears IMO.

I would like to see them off the ground or under water also.

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Cowboyred, MN has the most relaxed conibear regulations of any state in the upper midwest when compared to WI, IA, MO, & etc.
If MTA was concerned about its image or relationships with outdoorsmen, they would have made the move themself and put they're regulations closer in line with the surrounding states.
Seeker is correct, I'm met with different reps from MTA... there is no compromise with them.