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P425 healthcare bill mandatory senior suicide

On page 425 it says in black and white that EVERYONE on Social Security, (will include all Senior Citizens and SSI people) will go to MANDATORY counseling every 5 years to learn and to choose from ways to end your suffering (and your life). Health care will be denied based on age. 500 Billion will be cut from Seniors healthcare. The only way for that to happen is to drastically cut health care, the oldest and the sickest will be cut first. Paying for your own care will not be an option.
Do y'all have parents?

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Yes, I read this, too.

Perhaps, it's best my parents are gone.

I used to laugh at clergy who railed against "secular humanists" - ain't it ironic that now we're beginning to see how truly sinister they are? And yes, they are out to attack the weakest - the oldest and the youngest (guess how they feel about the unborn?). They're all about their own concept of "the greater good" - individuals and/or individual rights are irrelevant.

I have been,

a productive citizen until I was 72 yrs. old. Now the SOB's want me to crawl off into a hole & die, so they can use that money for ILLIGAL'S, THE WORTHLESS WELFARE SCUM, & CRIMINALS.

Does anyone know if the politicians families & their staff are also on the CADILAC ins. program that they are on. If so, why are we paying for them also?

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Re: I have been,

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a productive citizen until I was 72 yrs. old. Now the SOB's want me to crawl off into a hole & die, so they can use that money for ILLIGAL'S, THE WORTHLESS WELFARE SCUM, & CRIMINALS.

Does anyone know if the politicians families & their staff are also on the CADILAC ins. program that they are on. If so, why are we paying for them also?

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The sad part about it, this was spoken before the election in articles, people either failed to read it and chalked it off.

People wanted change, watch out what you wish for.

It was reported today if they can't get the GOP to go along with voting this in, then the democrats will vote their plan in as they see fit, they have the votes and power to do it. Atleast this way all the blame can be put on one party, 2012 cant get here fast enough!

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been debunked 100 times already.
The St. Petersburg Times PolitiFact describes who’s behind this campaign and how it continues to victimize seniors. The Orlando Sentinel also provides details on what’s actually on page 425 in the House bill in their editorial “Health Reform Hooey“.
As the President described yesterday, what the House has proposed (you can read page 425 for yourself here ) is to pay doctors for any end-of-life consultations they might–not must–provide their patients. Only the most cynical and opportunistic critics could turn that into pushing suicide for seniors.
http://www.ncpssm.org/entitledtoknow/?p=615

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The person who sent it to me wondered why the Sentinel wasn't writing about this. Might be because it's not true. What the bill does is provide a Medicare benefit that pays for "advance care planning" consultations. In other words, if a person on Medicare wants to get a consultation on such things as living wills and health care proxies, this bill requires that Medicare pay for it.


catch that last line- bill requires that medicare covers "advance care planning". Do you not want advance care planning? shouldn't your doc be paid for his time if he wants to talk about how to treat you in your final days/years when you may not be able to communicate what you want? shouldn't how you want to be treated be on file , on record, and shouldn't your wishes be respected? this is what page 425 is all about. Just cause a bunch of the "no never" crowd has bad reading comprehension- don't be fooled by the FOR PROFIT HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY SHILLS.

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According to the bill, "such consultation shall include the following: An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to; an explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses; an explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy."

REALLY! YOU DON'T WANT THIS?

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Can anyone say Obama and his regime of Democrats.

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Truly....

How can any American Citizen argue FOR a health care plan that will allow coverage of illegals at tax payers expense while the elderly will be denied coverage simply because they are older?

How can any ethical human being say that just because you are over 55 you do not deserve life-saving surgery to prolong your life?

How can anyone with a family support a bill that, in the president's own words, will put emphysis on the health of school age children and less importance on those under school age or those who are home schooled or private schooled?

How can anyone who struggles to pay their own bills, without handouts from the government, rationalize a socialist health care plan that causes the entire nation to rely more heavily on the government?

How can you dare to pass judgement against those who continue to support the very essence of this country? Americans once revolted against the British because of oppressive government. They fought for freedom, liberty, and human rights! Not welfare, handouts, and a free ride!

NO Truly, I DON"T WANT THIS!

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Re: I have been,

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THE WORTHLESS WELFARE SCUM

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you can take as much offense as you like, but these scum bags that have been on welfare all of their life, breeding more welfare recipients & getting free medical help, when all they have to do is walk into a E.R. don't deserve SH!T. All they have done is make my heath Ins. premiums go up & VOTED THESE IDIOTS INTO OFFICE.

Truly, IF IT IS AS GOOD AS YOU SAY, why aren't the politicians trying to get on the plan also????? Sorry, but I don't need an END OF/TO LIFE COUNSELING SESSION. What I need is for my DOCTOR & I to dicide what treatment I need, not a bunch A$$HOLES behind closed doors, saying just give him a pain pill & let him die, as your boy OBAMA has said himself.

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Why would the Senate and Obama try to cram a health care bill down our throats in three to four weeks, when the President himself took six months to pick a dog for his kids?

If this health care bill is such a grand idea and the care is going to be top notch, why does the bill include a provision that excludes the President and the Senate from EVER having to participate in it?

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THEY AREN'T TRYING TO DO IT IN 3-4 WEEKS. they are trying to do it in 30 years. Nixon worked on it , Clinton worked on it, and now Obama is trying to deliver what the majority of Americans want.

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Check your statistics there...

The majority of Americans are wary of this bill. They are not eager to jump on board something that has been described ambiguously at best...

I believe there are three simple solutions to the health care crisis without having to pass any health care bill.
1. No government assistance of any nature to illegals. No drivers license, no health care, no welfare programs (i.e. WIC, Food Stamps, housing assistance).

2. Apply the money saved from not paying for all of those illegals to supplement work programs. This money should be directed towards creating new jobs in those areas of highest un-employment rates. This would include training opportunities such as adult GED programs, internships, and establishing co-op programs for high school seniors.

3. Once this is done, American Citizens who are not disabled, elderly, or a minor will be cut from government assistance after 6 months of support if they are not ACTIVELY seeking employment. Meaning, they must show proof of job interviews, turn in resumes to employement agencies and REALLY be trying to get a job in order to keep assistance.

Furthermore, here are a few more for you.
1. If you are on government healthcare, abortions will not be funded. Feel free to get on birth-control, as it will be covered. After all, that's what it's for! There is a high level of repeat abortions, especially in poor areas. This is wasted money spent out of tax payers pockets. IF abortion should be covered, fine. First one is paid, second is paid only if the woman is sterilized at the same time. Otherwise, she can pay for it out of her pocket and not mine!
2.If you test postiive for drugs, your healthcare benefits will be denied. You will not qualify again for any type of government assistance unless you test negative for all controlled substances for at least a year. Periodic drug testing will be mandatory to keep benefits.
3. All medical treatments for all citizens should be the same cost. There should be a specific list of charges. One type of insurance shouldn't cost $400 for a visit while another insurance group (same identical plan) costs $200.


None of these ideas infringe on the rights of those who pay their own healthcare costs. None of them restrict the care given to children or the elderly, but they all provide some level of cost savings to the government, which in turn saves tax-payers from additional increases.

No more free handouts. I am sick of dead beats, welfare queens, illegals, and lazy Americans getting for free what we pay a small fortune for. I am sick of seeing people use food stamps in a store and then going to the parking lot to get in their new shiny car. I am sick of going to the ER with a hurt child and waiting behind a dozen hispanics who don't even speak english, all with their TNCare card in hand. And I am sick of women with three kids by three different daddies thinking something is owed to them because they are a single mother!

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THEY AREN'T TRYING TO DO IT IN 3-4 WEEKS. they are trying to do it in 30 years. Nixon worked on it , Clinton worked on it, and now Obama is trying to deliver what the majority of Americans want.

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Good health care does not equal good quality of life.

About 6 mos. ago my mom was being well cared for in a nursing home. But she was barely conscious, couldn't walk, eat solid food or do much of anything. The Doctor recommended she be put on Hospice, made as comfortable as possible and wait for the end. As part of this, they took her off all her medication except for insulin. She'd been taking a fistful of pills 1 or more times a day for all kinds of things and who knows what the cost of all that was.

Lo and behold, instead of passing away, she got BETTER. More alert, started walking again, eating solid food, knew who we were and carried on conversations like she used to do. Her improvement has been constant, steady, and sustained.

There is NO doubt money was being spent on her healthcare and it was actually doing more harm than good. Maybe she's an isolated case. And then again, maybe not...

Spending less does not necessarily mean there is lower quality care.

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86% of America is against this healthcare plan verbage.

The government can't even get the billion dollar cash for clunkers straight.

How do you exspect the government toget a trillion dollar health plan right and run it? They can't.

Look I work in government management for a large city, left private industry 4 years ago and I have had enough of working here. I am going back to private as soon as I can. If private industry ran like the government does there would be none at all. Nowhere in the system can they do anything right, the left hand does know what the right hand is doing, its a total money pit and nobody cares, all they care about is every other Friday, not what kind of work they produce. "why do today what you can do tomorrow" is the adage. Government employment is the biggest welfare payroll of them all.

I do not think anyone is arguing that all welfare is bad, its suppose to be there to be temporary help for people in need of it in bad times.
Sooooo many people take full advantage of it daily, if you don't believe come to Maryland and take a ride thru Baltimore, actually just watch the news, last weekend alone there was 17 shooting alone in the city. That was one day, actually thats old news happens every day.

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Truly, What majority?? Your out of your mind.

I bet you believe all of these peopleshowing upo at townhall meetings and offices of their senators are paid off by the insurance companies to attend as well. LOL!!

Your losing the debate Truly. quit trying to plug a sinking ship with your finger.

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WHOLE THREAD SOON TO BE REPORTED TO OBAMA WHITEHOUSE- KGB DIVISION. REPEAT- WHOLE THREAD TO BE REPORTED TO OBAMA WHITEHOUSE- KGB DIVISION!

the whitehouse asking to report to whitehouse. gov any "fishy" speech about his communised healthcare scheme.
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Originally posted by John D
Good health care does not equal good quality of life.

About 6 mos. ago my mom was being well cared for in a nursing home. But she was barely conscious, couldn't walk, eat solid food or do much of anything. The Doctor recommended she be put on Hospice, made as comfortable as possible and wait for the end. As part of this, they took her off all her medication except for insulin. She'd been taking a fistful of pills 1 or more times a day for all kinds of things and who knows what the cost of all that was.

Lo and behold, instead of passing away, she got BETTER. More alert, started walking again, eating solid food, knew who we were and carried on conversations like she used to do. Her improvement has been constant, steady, and sustained.

There is NO doubt money was being spent on her healthcare and it was actually doing more harm than good. Maybe she's an isolated case. And then again, maybe not...

Spending less does not necessarily mean there is lower quality care.

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Your losing the debate Truly. quit trying to plug a sinking ship with your finger.

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I swear you guys would buy whatever they are selling

just a sampling of how easy it is to refute that idiotic viral email:
Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!

First of all, it starts on page 21, not 22, and it simply mandates a study of risk on the part of all companies that choose to provide self-insurance, to make sure they are capitalized properly. This is something that private insurance companies are required to do; it's to protect the consumer. Say you work at a company with their own health insurance system; how would you like to find out after you've received a $100,000 bill for a hospital stay, that the insurance pool can't pay the bill?

This is also important because when they can't pay the bills, then everyone else with insurance ends up picking up the slack. Got that? That's the reason health insurance premiums have more than doubled in the last ten years, and are scheduled to double again in the next ten, if nothing changes.

Anyway, why should companies acting as health insurance companies be allowed to operate under different rules than insurance companies? Isn't that unfair competition?

• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!

The section actually starts on page 26, and it's entitled:
SEC. 122. ESSENTIAL BENEFITS PACKAGE DEFINED.

There is absolutely NO section in there, from page 26 through page 30, that indicates rationing of any kind. Looking at Page 29 specifically, it contains a section called "Annual Limitation." A-HA! See? It's a LIMITATION! That's the same as rationing, right? Didn't they admit rationing?

Well, no. Because the limit is on the amount that people will have to pay out in cost-sharing, should the agency implementing the bill decide to use a version of cost-sharing. The limit is on how much a patient will have to pay, not a limit on the health care the patient receives.Watch how many times these tools bring up the "rationing" canard. It's almost as often as they mention ACORN. (I kid you not. Just wait.)

See what I mean when I say we have to watch these people, and check their "facts?"

• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)

The section on Page 30 establishes an advisory committee, and yes; they will decide which treatments and benefits you get. I'm unsure as to why this is a bad thing. I don't want my health insurance premiums going to Britney's boob job, even if I have private insurance. Which reminds me; does this bozo actually think private insurance companies don't have a list of acceptable treatments and benefits?

There is one difference here, though. The committee's recommendations will be published and the public will have access to them. Which means they will be able to offer input to the process.

Oh, and there is nothing here about "no appeals process." The Committee will simply recommend processes for implementation. Not only that, but varying appeals processes are laid out in detail throughout the bill. So, he lied about that...

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Obama main health care adviser and bother to Rahm Emmanuel says Seniors over the age of 65 should not be given expensive, life saving surgeries and should be weaned from Any govt health care beyond hospice and pain suppression.

You can talk all you want Truly, but this end of life counseling is nothing more than an attempt to get seniors ready for the "old folks home" and try and coerce them into a earlier death.

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AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA

Dear President Obama:

You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me.

You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.

You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support.

You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.

You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.

You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't understand it at its core.

You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming others.

You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.

You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame America ' crowd and deliver this message abroad.

You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.

You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.

You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.

You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.

You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against certain banks and corporations.

You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.

You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.

You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.

You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.

You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.

You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.

Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.

Lou Pritchett

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This letter was sent to the NY Times but they never acknowledged it. Big surprise! Since it hit the internet, however, it has had over 500,000 hits. All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing. It's happening right now.

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