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Posted by greg jones on 03-06-2009 07:31 AM:

Can you beleive this?

My son that is in kinergarden has been being bullyed by two other kids for the pastweek.I told him that if he told the teachers they could stop this he then tells me he would be in trouble for tatling so i explain to him if they wont help he needs to stick up for himself and explain what he should do Guess what he came home with a pink slip and has been suspended for fighting I cannot beleive it this other boypushed him down and tryed kicking him and my son punched him in the nose.Im not sure who my wife is madder at him or me LOL Boys are boys put being suspended from school at 5 years old is crazy i think

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Posted by bonehead on 03-06-2009 10:30 AM:

hell yah, my dad tought me to do the same thing, dont take any sh*t. and it payed off. lol. some kids dont learn until they get what they deserve.

Posted by triker on 03-06-2009 11:33 AM:

i raised 6 girls i told told them dont start no crap but dont take it either.if they got expelled for sticking up for themselves then so be it.

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Posted by coon dog junky on 03-06-2009 11:51 AM:

ya just yesterday my nephew was expelled for 2 days for sticking up for himself. there has been a kid picking on him for two weeks & he told the teachers & the princable about it & they did nothing. So my brother told him to stand up to the kid. well yesterday in the cafateria the kid told my nephew he was going to kick his a$$ so little E told him to do what ever he thought he needed to do. The kid pushed him, Lil E pushed him back & then the kid tried to chock him so lil E flipped him over his back & was on top of him punching his ligghts out when the teachers finally decided to do something. Keep in mind Lil E is a Sophmore & only weighs about 80#. Princable said it took 3 teachers to get him off the kid. Heck I am proud of him!!!!!!!!!!lol
He is going to help me for 2 days

Posted by Skyward on 03-06-2009 11:57 AM:

This zero tolerance, don't keep score at T-ball games, attitude that the schools are promoting is crap. Some very important life long lessons that are learned as a young man can only happen through a few knuckledustin' sessions on the playground. You learn to mind your own business, don't talk smack unless you can back it up and no matter how tough you think you are, there is always somebody waiting to prove you wrong. Respect, courtesy and humility respectively, are all important values that should be instilled at a young age. For boys, these values can be learned through a few scraps on the school yard. Unfortunately insteading of embracing this, the schools are promoting the idea that we should all eat rainbows and poop butterflies and that winning or losing doesn't matter as long as you tried your best. Hogwash. If my kids lose, I want them to feel the pain, I want them to realize that they need to get better, they need to improve. If they did their best and it didn't work out, strive to do better, strive to succeed. Half-assed worth ethic gets you nowhere. The teachers may not keep score but life does.

Posted by coon dawg on 03-06-2009 12:00 PM:

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.......things sure have changed...........I'm 56.........went to a Catholic High School and Elemetary school in Maryland.................fights were a dime a dozen among the boys.........and about a fifth of the girls........ya got detention and a note sent home, and were made to shake hands with the other kid.....(I shook ALOT of hands) lolol.......life went on..........................now, at least at the school my girlfriends little boy goes to.........one fight and you are suspended.............whether you started it or not..........just have to be IN a fight............that's pure BS...............

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Posted by coon dog junky on 03-06-2009 12:02 PM:

Posted by John Wittenborn on 03-06-2009 12:32 PM:

Skyward, good post.............

If WINNING isn't important, why do we spend THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS on scoreboards, officials, & great facilities??????????

Through many years of coaching & working with school kids, I have always told them to treat EVERYONE the way they would like to be treated, until they prove otherwise.

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Posted by Keith Hodge on 03-06-2009 01:45 PM:

I ll give you a good one. I just got out of a school meeting with the principal last week. Apparantly my boy (9 yrsold) dismantled one of tose little plastic pencil sharpeners and proceded to cut up erasers with it.(he was not threatening anybody or anything like that)Well the school has now banned non electric pencil sharpeners. School says they are dangerous weapons. I asked them what they were going to do if someone got stuck with a sharpened pencil ban them to. Needless to say I was not happy with this.It just shows the ignorance of the school systems today.

Posted by Buckshot on 03-06-2009 02:16 PM:

Rule of thumb in my house is: if they (my kids) throw the first punch, they get in trouble at the house, if they defend themselves, they will not get into trouble at the house.

I always tell the their new teachers each school year my house rule and that I have instructed the boys to defend themselves without fear of punishment at home.

School can suspend them but the boys have my blessings to defend themselves.

Posted by cooney64659 on 03-06-2009 02:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Buckshot
Rule of thumb in my house is: if they (my kids) throw the first punch, they get in trouble at the house, if they defend themselves, they will not get into trouble at the house.

I always tell the their new teachers each school year my house rule and that I have instructed the boys to defend themselves without fear of punishment at home.

School can suspend them but the boys have my blessings to defend themselves.

I'll second that

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Posted by Whistle Pig on 03-06-2009 02:36 PM:

Re: .............

quote:
Originally posted by coon dawg
.......things sure have changed...........I'm 56.........went to a Catholic High School and Elemetary school in Maryland.................fights were a dime a dozen among the boys.........and about a fifth of the girls........ya got detention and a note sent home, and were made to shake hands with the other kid.....(I shook ALOT of hands) lolol.......life went on..........................now, at least at the school my girlfriends little boy goes to.........one fight and you are suspended.............whether you started it or not..........just have to be IN a fight............that's pure BS...............

Now thier trying to scratch my dog, for trying to run away from a fight, that sucks. and Is pure BS--- LOL

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Posted by Plottluvr on 03-06-2009 02:53 PM:

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Originally posted by Buckshot
Rule of thumb in my house is: if they (my kids) throw the first punch, they get in trouble at the house, if they defend themselves, they will not get into trouble at the house.

I always tell the their new teachers each school year my house rule and that I have instructed the boys to defend themselves without fear of punishment at home.

School can suspend them but the boys have my blessings to defend themselves.

Same thing at my house Buckshot. I was raised the same way. I tell my son and daughter so long as they're not the one throwing the first punch they won't get in trouble at home. Let the school do what they want.

My 16 yr old is mentally challenged but she still goes to regular classes; she just needs a bit of extra help. A bunch of girls started on her beginning of this school year and I told her if anyone hits you you keep punching until they stop moving. The school wanted to expel my daughter for fighting until I insisted on a "family meeting" of both sides and confronted the girls about it in front of their parents. I said "Look me in the eye and tell me you didn't start this? Tell me you didn't call my daughter names ( of which I won't repeat)." Needless to say my kid didn't get expelled but she did get 2 days ISS (In school suspension) and the other girls were suspended for 14 days for bullying and harassment.

Skyward....I agree 100%

Posted by rrs on 03-06-2009 03:24 PM:

spent many-many yrs. in education as a teacher-coach-administrator, university supervisor of student teaching, college teacher, but also a parent.... schools have become too politically correct and worried about covering their backside, often the rules made by uninformed legislators and schools have to follow- enforce them... often doing the morally correct thing will result in discipline at school... defending oneself and attacking another are not the same, personally if two were involved, both were held accountable, a fight, if an attack it was a different situation.... students realized that sometimes one had to stand up, but also that this could result in discipline.... it is atough as an educator to always please all involved or never make a mistake... being consistent in dealing with with situations is crucial... an addendum, have been responsible for many paddlings yrs. back which today is banned, but often believed it was an immediate remedy to a problem as well as a preventative to further problems....
being an educator is a tough job these days, someone always thinks you are wrong no matter what has transpired... it was much different many yrs. ago when I stated in the profession, nothing more needed than great teachers, but also few things are more difficult...

Posted by trott on 03-06-2009 03:39 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by coon dog junky
ya just yesterday my nephew was expelled for 2 days for sticking up for himself. there has been a kid picking on him for two weeks & he told the teachers & the princable about it & they did nothing. So my brother told him to stand up to the kid. well yesterday in the cafateria the kid told my nephew he was going to kick his a$$ so little E told him to do what ever he thought he needed to do. The kid pushed him, Lil E pushed him back & then the kid tried to chock him so lil E flipped him over his back & was on top of him punching his ligghts out when the teachers finally decided to do something. Keep in mind Lil E is a Sophmore & only weighs about 80#. Princable said it took 3 teachers to get him off the kid. Heck I am proud of him!!!!!!!!!!lol
He is going to help me for 2 days

"Finally" decided to do something. I am a teacher and when the good guy is winning we seem to not get there as fast, lol. They may have enjoyed watching the 80 pounder whip him.

For what its worth the fighting in schools has became such a complicated thing to discipline due to all the law suits people try to get by with. Generally both kids get some kind of discipline, even for the victim. I have no doudt that your nephew or other kids allerted the teachers of the bullying. "Bullying" is such a huge subject in schools today but as a teacher you hear soooooo many times a day that so and so is picking on me and to only find out the "victim" has provoked it as well. Unfortunately when a real situation comes a long we may not pay a lot of attention ot it until they complain enough for us to believe it because bullying is such a hard thing to catch someone in the act of doing it. I have no doudt that your nephew was in a catch 22 and did try to tell the teachers what was going on, no excuse but it does happen just like you described sometimes. Trott.

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Posted by Laurie Soutar on 03-06-2009 06:40 PM:

When my son was in second grade (he's now 30!), I got called into the principal's office. His shool had one class of 'special ed' kids, and it turned out that two of the grade 6 kids had been physically and verbally harrasing one of the retarded kids in the schoolyard. My son stepped in and put a stop to it (physically), and I got called in. The principal explained that he had been fighting, and that he would be suspended, I asked Jason if that was correct, he said it was, and explained why. The principal said 'You should have notified the teacher on duty" Jason said "I did, twice, and she did nothing, so I did - what they were doing wasn't right" I turned to him there in the office and said "Son, I'm very proud of you, you did exactly the right thing, and I appreciate you standing up to kids bigger than you were to defend someone who couldn't defend themself". I turned to the principal (who sat there with his mouth open, and he started stammering about how fighting was against the rules...) and said "I certainly hope some action is taken against those two boys to prevent this kind of thing from happening again......"
He didn't have the nerve to do anything to my son at that point...
Laurie

Posted by Skyward on 03-06-2009 06:47 PM:

I tend to agree. Sorry, there are times when initiating a throwdown is just the plain right thing to do. If mine throw the first punch, I want to know why. If its bunk, they get in trouble at home. If it was something I would do, its kind of hard for me to discipline them. Defending the weak is certainly worth an "intervention" especially when the "adults" won't.

Posted by sonnyjim on 03-07-2009 06:31 PM:

ZERO TOLERANCE?

Zero tolerance pretains to who? the bully or the kid thats defending themselfs? this is the question I ask the principal not long ago. I told him that my kids have our surpport when they need to defend themselfs. And also strongly stated that my kids are not there to be a punching bag. The principals remark was two wrongs don't make a right. Sense when was defending oneself a wrong? If policy says NO FIGHTING then suspend both, not just the one that got caught finishing what the bully started. Sometimes I wonder where these administrators and principals have their heads

Posted by Indianaboy on 03-07-2009 08:22 PM:

When i was in 3rd grade (now a senior in highschool) I got in a fight on the playground and the teachers just watched we where the 2 worst kids in the school they didnt mind watching us beat on each other. He started it so he not only got kicked out but they still gave spankings then so he got beat by me the principle and his dad. Didnt change him though hes in jail now

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Posted by vampire on 03-07-2009 09:14 PM:

Good for him! My 6 kids never get in trouble for defending themselves or thier siblings.

Posted by PlottChaser on 03-07-2009 09:54 PM:

Re: Can you beleive this?

quote:
Originally posted by greg jones
My son that is in kinergarden has been being bullyed by two other kids for the pastweek.I told him that if he told the teachers they could stop this he then tells me he would be in trouble for tatling so i explain to him if they wont help he needs to stick up for himself and explain what he should do Guess what he came home with a pink slip and has been suspended for fighting I cannot beleive it this other boypushed him down and tryed kicking him and my son punched him in the nose.Im not sure who my wife is madder at him or me LOL Boys are boys put being suspended from school at 5 years old is crazy i think

Bet that bully won't mess with your kid any more! When my oldest boy (now 8) was in kindergarten there was a bully picking on him, hitting him in the stomach. I told him to hit him back and make it count! Next day he caught the bully in the nose and sent him in the school crying and bleeding. The day after that they were best friends and the bully quit bullying not only my boy but everyone else too.

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Posted by DEMODOG1 on 03-22-2009 06:05 AM:

sad part is its almostr scary to send em to school my daughter is in second grade and a boy braught a bb gub the other day and shot another kids in the privates as she put it! if there bringin bb guns whats next? obviously theres some messed up parents in this world

Posted by BlueJohn on 03-22-2009 06:19 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Buckshot
Rule of thumb in my house is: if they (my kids) throw the first punch, they get in trouble at the house, if they defend themselves, they will not get into trouble at the house.

I always tell the their new teachers each school year my house rule and that I have instructed the boys to defend themselves without fear of punishment at home.

School can suspend them but the boys have my blessings to defend themselves.

You got it, Buckshot. My daughter got suspended for defending herself. I took her over to the school superintendent's house and knocked on the door. I told her in front of my daughter that my daughter would always have MY permission to defend herself and the school could deal with it any way they liked, but at some point they'd be talking to my lawyer.

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Posted by HalfmoonHounds on 03-22-2009 06:36 AM:

Yeah my son is 11 yrs old now and had problems last year with a bully. Who was the teacher's pet and his mother and the teacher were best friends. The sad thing was my son could have handed this kid and probably two of his best friends their a$$es all at once by himself on a bad day. Unfortunately the principal was quick to inform me if my son threw down he was expelled. I asked about the other kid, she said he wasn't the trouble maker, I asked her if she thought the 23 class mates were all liars? My son finally got his day, the kid pressed his luck at the Little League Park off school property and lost dearly. The kid came after him with a bat and didn't realized my son has been taught the art of disarming an assailant by yours truely, he got educated very quickly. His parents were going to press charges, until I reminded them a bat is a weapon and weapon + assault= Youth Detention Center. They changed their tune and the kid stays far away from my son.

Maybe if kids used their knuckles once in awhile from the start they wouldn't let things fester and feel compelled to bring a gun to school and go nuts a week later. Just a thought

When I was growing up we would fight at morning recess and play kickball at afternoon recess like nothing ever happened.

Posted by wayne f on 03-23-2009 12:22 AM:

greg heres youe new signature give that little guy a hug for me

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