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Posted by CoalDust on 04-30-2012 08:17 PM:

UKC How do you score it?

Hunting Judge. Scoring a Tree
2 vote to circle (one being the hunting Judge)
2 vote to minus
Lets add one
2 Vote Plus(one being hunting Judge)
2 Vote Circle
How is the tree Scored. This didnt happen but was debated at a hunt. I told them I would get UKC's ruling.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 04-30-2012 08:20 PM:

CIRCLE. It takes a majority vote to either plus or minus. in a 4 dog cast a 2-2 vote is always circle.

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Posted by patches9452 on 04-30-2012 08:23 PM:

hunting judge has no more authority on scoreing a tree than any other cast member.... he scores it like he sees it and if there is a question you vote his vote counts the same as everyone elses... takes a majority to plus or minus

Posted by CoalDust on 04-30-2012 08:26 PM:

I agree that a hunting judge vote on a tree has no more weight than any other cast member. That was the point I was trying to make, but they still wanted to debate it. So I told them I would get the UKC take on it.

Posted by Allen / UKC on 04-30-2012 08:46 PM:

Circle. Every day.

Posted by CoalDust on 04-30-2012 08:47 PM:

Thanks for all the replies

Posted by StrawberryMt on 04-30-2012 10:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Allen / UKC
Circle. Every day.

The reply that really counts lol

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 04-30-2012 11:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
CIRCLE. It takes a majority vote to either plus or minus. in a 4 dog cast a 2-2 vote is always circle.

Allen left out the reason why you circle. So I thought I would copy this. If you remember the rule it will answer a lot of questions and arguments in the woods.

Thanks Allen and John

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Posted by guyankennels on 05-01-2012 03:54 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Allen / UKC
Circle. Every day.

im glad u posted on here ive often wandered the same thing cause it does come up quite often i always vert back to pkc rules and delete it

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Posted by trackntreeman on 05-01-2012 04:58 AM:

quote:
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im glad u posted on here ive often wandered the same thing cause it does come up quite often i always vert back to pkc rules and delete it

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Posted by donaldpeyton on 05-01-2012 05:59 AM:

Why would this get circled because in the case of a tie breaker it would factor the out come .Ukc needs to make this a deleted rule two two vote should not be circled because of that.

Posted by BB&LKennels on 05-01-2012 06:37 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by donaldpeyton
Why would this get circled because in the case of a tie breaker it would factor the out come .Ukc needs to make this a deleted rule two two vote should not be circled because of that.

WELL THEN WHY SHOULD IT BE DELETED ? NEXT THEY WILL WAN'T IT PLUS THE TREE TO BREAK THE TIE, THE BUDDY SYSTEM WOULD DELETE ALOT OF TREE'S.JUST TAKE A CHAIN SAW ALONG AND CUT THE TREE DOWN.THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE WHO IS RIGHT AND WHO IS WRONG..

Posted by donaldpeyton on 05-01-2012 03:34 PM:

I'm just saying delete it because that is the fair thing.How would you feel if you had a chance to get in the final round in the world and you got beat because a two two vote and it got circled and that kicked you out.I guess I'm just saying the rule in hand can hurt more than the one cast trying to beat the handlers and not letting the best dog win.

Posted by patches9452 on 05-01-2012 03:37 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by donaldpeyton
I'm just saying delete it because that is the fair thing.How would you feel if you had a chance to get in the final round in the world and you got beat because a two two vote and it got circled and that kicked you out.I guess I'm just saying the rule in hand can hurt more than the one cast trying to beat the handlers and not letting the best dog win.

as long as everyone scores the same way everyone has the same chance at it happening... this has always been ukcs way of scoring and to change it would really make a mess of things in my opinion

Posted by JiM on 05-01-2012 03:44 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by donaldpeyton
I'm just saying delete it because that is the fair thing.How would you feel if you had a chance to get in the final round in the world and you got beat because a two two vote and it got circled and that kicked you out.I guess I'm just saying the rule in hand can hurt more than the one cast trying to beat the handlers and not letting the best dog win.

In PKC, YES....because you can win without plus points.
In UKC your argument goes right down the drain because coons seen is the only way you can win so circle/delete doesn't win hunts in UKC, just plus wins.
In other words, nobody goes home in UKC because a tree got circled instead of deleted.
In PKC, they might.

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Posted by donaldpeyton on 05-01-2012 05:02 PM:

It don't have anything to do with pkc you're telling me that a circle tree don't factor in if two people are tied and the tie has to be broke.Let me know the tie breaking procedure please and if I'm wrong I'll say I'm wrong.

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 05-01-2012 05:19 PM:

Why would you suggest it be deleted, thay makes zero sense.

How if 2 people say they see a coon and 2 say they don't warrent a delete? You feel the dog doesn't deserve circled?

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Posted by donaldpeyton on 05-01-2012 05:57 PM:

No I'm saying only the people on the cast know the truth and that is the only way to keep from cheating everybody else .I just say it should be deleted because it does play a factor in the results and I see it being fair.How do we know wich to is telling the truth if it was there or not.Just like a slick tree two two vote it is going to circle it every time that ain't right and yes a circle tree can't win a cast but it can help win.

Posted by patches9452 on 05-01-2012 06:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by donaldpeyton
No I'm saying only the people on the cast know the truth and that is the only way to keep from cheating everybody else .I just say it should be deleted because it does play a factor in the results and I see it being fair.How do we know wich to is telling the truth if it was there or not.Just like a slick tree two two vote it is going to circle it every time that ain't right and yes a circle tree can't win a cast but it can help win.

it can help anyone else win too so you have the same advantage either way... if its there plus it if its not minus it...if it could be circle it

Posted by JiM on 05-01-2012 06:25 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by donaldpeyton
It don't have anything to do with pkc you're telling me that a circle tree don't factor in if two people are tied and the tie has to be broke.Let me know the tie breaking procedure please and if I'm wrong I'll say I'm wrong.

Circle points is the 4th tiebreaker. I've never seen it get that far and I bet you haven't either.

Posted by donaldpeyton on 05-01-2012 06:34 PM:

Yes sir I have if I have 225+ and you have 225+ and you made a slick tree that had a two two vote and it got circled wich one would win.

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 05-01-2012 06:45 PM:

LOL if 2 are saying slick and 2 are saying circle what makes you think the 2 voting to minus it are voting legit? Deleted trees are dumb all the way around in my oppinion. Dog struck, dog treed, dog deserves credit of some sort.

Posted by K. Singletary on 05-01-2012 08:20 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
LOL if 2 are saying slick and 2 are saying circle what makes you think the 2 voting to minus it are voting legit? Deleted trees are dumb all the way around in my oppinion. Dog struck, dog treed, dog deserves credit of some sort.

I agree, I never understood why you would act as if something didn't happen just because people didn't agree on the scoring. This also works both ways, people will vote dishonestly to get a tree deleted just as fast as they will to get one circled if it helps them.

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Posted by JustinM on 05-01-2012 09:50 PM:

I'm with donald, delete that sucker.

I lost on a circle tie breaker the other night, doubt it was a two two vote this time of year but it just as easly could have been. In thin coons it goes past the first couple tie breakers more often when you only make 2 trees in two hours.

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Posted by donaldpeyton on 05-01-2012 10:30 PM:

It happens a lot more than people think.I didn't mean to stir the pot I was just saying that it shouldn't be circle just because that factors in tie breaking same if two two was minused it still would factor in the tie breaker so delete.

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