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Posted by Colt Farrington on 10-18-2005 02:36 PM:

Non-walker wins Senior SuperStakes

http://www.prohound.com/asp/sboard/...&subid=3231

Looks like a nice Black and Tan won the senior supersakes this fall. Congradulations to the owners.

http://www.prohound.com/asp/sboard/...&subid=3231

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Posted by Colt Farrington on 10-19-2005 02:34 PM:

Shoot I figured you walker haters would be tooting your horns a little over this one.

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Posted by John D on 10-19-2005 03:32 PM:

I don't see it as a huge surprise. The odds are that if the B&T breed has 1 in 20 entries, they will win 1 out of 20 hunts....if they are just as good as the other breeds. If they are better, they will win more than 1 in 20, or whatever the ratio is.

But some folks cannot comprehend that and if Walkers win 15 out of 20, then they must be the best-est.

This is the 2nd major win by a B&T this year, remember KS Gem won the truck hunt earlier this year.

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Posted by Philip on 10-19-2005 03:47 PM:

I don't buy the odds factor, it hasn't added up yet.
But will give great credit to the black and tan dog that won.

Posted by on 10-19-2005 06:08 PM:

John a few months back I went to a hunt 4 walkers and 12 blue dogs = 4 cast with walkers winning them all. What was the odds?
I went to a hunt back in the spring 18 dogs all walkers exept 1 black dog. The black dog was the only one to come in with pluss points. What were the odds? I know that they play a roll but I dont think they play into it that much. Oh ya the black dog was a littermate to the one that this thread is about. Whats that tell you? Good hounds from a good cross NOT ODDS!

Posted by T.Beyer on 10-19-2005 09:09 PM:

Congratulations to that dog and its owner!

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Posted by John D on 10-19-2005 09:12 PM:

You don't have to tell me about an outnumbered B&T winning a hunt, Myself and alot of others have been there and done that.

The odds are just plain mathematical facts. Take 1 B&T and 19 Walkers and hunt them in 20 hunts. If the B&T won 1 time and each walker won 1 time, it looks like Walker dominance when in fact, they all have exactly the same win record: 1 win in 20 tries.

Now, let the B&T win TWO times in 20 hunts, TWICE as much as any Walker and see if any Walker followers would admit which breed is better represented. They'd just say Walkers are better because they won 18 out of 20 hunts.

I can't make it any simpler than that.

Posted by CountryMile on 10-19-2005 09:41 PM:

Prohound

Sure did a nice write up on the black dog (not). We read plenty of info on the junior winner though didnt we? lol

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Posted by on 10-20-2005 12:29 AM:

If my dog only wins 2 out of 20 I would be looking for another dog and thats as simple as I can put it

Posted by Prime Time 29 on 10-20-2005 12:32 AM:

Congrats to the black dog

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Posted by berger on 10-20-2005 12:41 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Philip
I don't buy the odds factor, it hasn't added up yet.
But will give great credit to the black and tan dog that won.

Phillip I agree with you on the odd factor. The reason Skipper won he treed more coon and did it on his own by himself. He did not have to get apart of everything and hope he got one by himself or the others would screw up. He did it alone and did it right alone. If we had more bnt's that would want to do it alone and have coon the percentages wouldn't matter. JMHO
Congrats again to Team Skipper!!!!!

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Posted by GumSwampWalkers on 10-20-2005 01:43 AM:

thats a good looking black dog

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Posted by Skinner on 10-20-2005 01:50 AM:

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again

Congrats to the black dog.

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Posted by sheepster on 10-20-2005 01:52 AM:

Originally posted by John D.

You don't have to tell me about an outnumbered B&T winning a hunt, Myself and alot of others have been there and done that.

The odds are just plain mathematical facts. Take 1 B&T and 19 Walkers and hunt them in 20 hunts. If the B&T won 1 time and each walker won 1 time, it looks like Walker dominance when in fact, they all have exactly the same win record: 1 win in 20 tries.

Now, let the B&T win TWO times in 20 hunts, TWICE as much as any Walker and see if any Walker followers would admit which breed is better represented. They'd just say Walkers are better because they won 18 out of 20 hunts.

I can't make it any simpler than that.

Posted by LCK on 10-20-2005 02:05 AM:

Congratulations are due any dog that wins regardless of all this statistical analysis bullsnort.

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Posted by tracy payne on 10-20-2005 12:22 PM:

skippers pedigree

could someone post skippers 3 generation pedigree?

Posted by Darrell on 10-20-2005 12:42 PM:

Re: skippers pedigree

quote:
Originally posted by tracy payne
could someone post skippers 3 generation pedigree?

He is out of Rex and High Country Hadie (UKC top reproducers list). Hadie is out of 2 open registered dogs...

Her grandparents are Jar and Ace...

Posted by Colt Farrington on 10-20-2005 01:03 PM:

Re: Prohound

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Originally posted by CountryMile
Sure did a nice write up on the black dog (not). We read plenty of info on the junior winner though didnt we? lol

Yeah I noticed that too. I truely hope it was because they had limited info available. Not because "IT"S A CONSPIRACY"

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