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Posted by whiskey1117 on 10-14-2011 03:24 AM:

new to training

I have a 9-10 month old walker female she goes crazy over a cage Coon but once I let the coon out and it gets close to the wood and a cut her she stops barking and will run the track good n smell up the right tree but never make a sound after i cut her. I've tryed hanging a trap up with a Coon in it and tryed hanging a dead Coon up but she just trust to run up the tree instead of barking. I dont want to ruin her with to many cage Coon but would like to see her treeing good before sending her off at night. Any advice on wut to try next would be greatly appropriated

Posted by l.lyle on 10-14-2011 04:04 AM:

Re: new to training

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Originally posted by whiskey1117
I have a 9-10 month old walker female she goes crazy over a cage Coon but once I let the coon out and it gets close to the wood and a cut her she stops barking and will run the track good n smell up the right tree but never make a sound after i cut her. I've tryed hanging a trap up with a Coon in it and tryed hanging a dead Coon up but she just trust to run up the tree instead of barking. I dont want to ruin her with to many cage Coon but would like to see her treeing good before sending her off at night. Any advice on wut to try next would be greatly appropriated

Most dogs don't jump and bark. They do one or the other. Sounds like you're training her to jump> Never hang a coon so low she thinks she even has a chance of getting to it. I seldom hang a shot out coon to a pup for that reason. Alot of folks hang a shot out coon in a fork they can reach. I look for a two or three inch sapling I can bend over and fasten the coon in and stand it back up. I might only do that once when a pup comes in to a tree the old dogs treed. If you hunt her without a trainer, don't be tempted to shoot out a coon you might happen to jacklight that she does not deserve. Day training could involve more drags, to heck with the tree, that is the simplest part. A dog has to learn how to trail them before they can tree them and get it right. If you are wanting to see her treeing good before you send her off at night I don't know what to tell you. Do you expect to send her off at night and she just go to treeing on something? I don't mind a pup going off at night, because that is necessary, and trail to the tree and not know what to do for several months before it trees. And believe me, that first coon she trees is coming out if it is in the game commissioners front yard on the 4th of July. But everybody has their way of doing things.

Posted by whiskey1117 on 10-14-2011 04:25 AM:

I had the Coon above my head and im 6 foot so I never thought shed try and jump for it but I was wrong and I guess I just was wanting to see her treeing a Coon before I started running her at night but I know little to nothing about training hounds so thank you for your advice

Posted by l.lyle on 10-14-2011 06:54 AM:

Thank you for thanking me. Most on here think a silent night go yonder that picks a big tree is the thing to have. So don't credit me telling you about a 2 inch sapling that I use . Train her to find a great big old leafy tree that just "might " contain a hollow. LOL and and LOl and LMBOLOF.

Posted by whiskey1117 on 10-14-2011 07:02 AM:

No I've seen enough slick treeing dogs in the few night hunts I've been in but asshe long as there a Coon up the tree I don't care if its up a twig or the biggest tree in the woods

Posted by whiskey1117 on 10-14-2011 07:18 AM:

I been planning on putting a feeder out I figured It could help put her on a easy hot track until she got a few under her belt then do away with it

Posted by l.lyle on 10-14-2011 08:23 AM:

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Originally posted by whiskey1117
I been planning on putting a feeder out I figured It could help put her on a easy hot track until she got a few under her belt then do away with it

That is a good idea. A rollcage coon 1 time, a hang up dead one 1 time and a hot bucket coon 1 time. That's it. No more, and let her get herself in the dark by herself. Now I have done it that way and it can be done that way and possibly have a great dog by doing it that way. But once you get her trained don't let her get senile before you start another pup with her. If she is straight and honest , there is no better way to start a pup. Don't even wait till she starts going down to do it. You don't want a pup ploding around after a slow dog. Within a month or two a pup can keep up with the fastest greaaat grand thing there is.

Posted by whiskey1117 on 10-14-2011 03:02 PM:

Would u hunt her on rainy night no lightning just a shower or just getting her in the wood any time I've heard both way

Posted by Q.Montague on 11-16-2011 08:46 PM:

Hunt that dog

You won't make a coondog in the daylight. She knows what a coon is so start hunting her at dark. The caged coon thing is way overrated and no kind a gauge for what kind of track or tree dog your pup will be. If she has any kind of TREE BlOOd at all, she'll make some kind of treedog. It may not happen immediately, but it's not supposed to. HUNT THE BEST AREAS YOU CAN. DON'T HUNT HER WITH ANYTHING THAT RUNS TRASH. DON'T SICK HER ON TREES. If you don't have anything decent to hunt her with, hunt her by herself. Charge that light and cut her loose where you know there are some coons. You'll be proud when she gets struck, comes treed, and them eyes are glowing.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 11-16-2011 09:34 PM:

The best advice i can give a new hunter is to not start out with a pup tryig to be a trainer. But since most newbies start out with a pup anyway the second best advice i can give is to not get caught up thinking their is a right or wrong way to start a pup because they are all different in what it takes to let them know what we are doing out there walking around in the dark. At about 6 months i usually drag a caged coon through the yard where the pup can see it and watch to see if the pup is inteested enough or mature enough to act aggressive towards it. Beyond that simple start its all a matter of figuring out what that indivdual needs to move to the next level. Sounds from your original post as if your dog is ready to be taken to the woods at night where you can hopefully find an easy coon to get to the next level. Good luck.

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Posted by old ben on 11-16-2011 09:45 PM:

let her catch it on the ground a few times

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Posted by whiskey1117 on 11-16-2011 09:55 PM:

This is my second hound I had a male dog n got rid of him a few months ago there we're certain thing about him I didn't like so I wanted to make a pup the way I wanted....I been running her with a old dog of my buddies n she's been treeing with him for a few weeks now I took her last night to a farm I hunt that's full of Coon n has 3 creeks running through it n to make a long story short she treed her first by herself last night I been pumped up all day today just replaying it im going to go out after work tonight to the same farm n see if she'll keep it up........I have enjoyed working with her from day one and I enjoyed my old dog but I never was this excited about hunting him

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