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Posted by larryfox on 07-09-2012 11:29 PM:

i wonder if somebody cheated a cheaters kid in a hunt would they be mad about it or just tell their son or daughter they need to suck it up and move on? or would that make them change their way of thinking?

Posted by joe-mcavoy on 07-10-2012 12:08 AM:

idk 10k is alot of $$$

Posted by ONEDOGNIGHT on 07-10-2012 01:23 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ohiocooner2.2
If someone refused to see my coon and cost me 10,000 you can bet more than a hundred dollar bill me or them one would take an a$$ whipping right then and there Go ahead and Bar me but I will teach someone a valuable lesson and maybe they wont do it to anyone else

Nothing like a good ole bad ass.

Posted by tsizemore on 07-10-2012 04:14 AM:

black hunt at flora

had a low life do that to me in the all black hunt i would post his name if i knew it this is why the hunts not my game i got coon dogs that please me thats all that matters

Posted by Bradley E. Hall on 07-10-2012 04:23 AM:

Reckon a dog would not bark first on coon if it knew the other dog smelled it first. Thats what I would call an honest coon dog!!!

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Posted by ForkdOaksKennel on 07-10-2012 04:45 AM:

Who cares if other people find coons for you? As long as they can see them after you find them.

Posted by smokin-1-mo on 07-10-2012 05:07 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ForkdOaksKennel
Who cares if other people find coons for you? As long as they can see them after you find them.

THAT RIGHT.....

Posted by Tully on 07-10-2012 05:35 AM:

I always heard

A man that bragged about his honesty, would be the first to bend you over...

PROBABLY SOME TRUTH TO THAT, no different than a thief being stolen from!

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Posted by Jay Chadwick on 07-10-2012 05:49 AM:

10K?

Is really not that much money in this day and age... but its interesting to see who would price their reputation and good name for such...where are all these 10K hunts? and who's winning them all? Maybe I've been living under a stump...seems alot of folks have lost touch with the "spirit" of the hunt...hunting and dogs are somthing I "spend" money on....these "pro" coonhunters crack me up. What's next a "handlers union"? maybe a collective bargaining agreement??? Honesty is priceless....

P.S. I will see your dogs coon Mike...if he has it....you wont even need to buy my breakfast at the waffle house..... or give me a new blazer belt light.... or a pup from your stud dog.....

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Posted by walker1978 on 07-10-2012 05:57 AM:

Re: 10K?

quote:
Originally posted by Jay Chadwick
Is really not that much money in this day and age... but its interesting to see who would price their reputation and good name for such...where are all these 10K hunts? and who's winning them all? Maybe I've been living under a stump...seems alot of folks have lost touch with the "spirit" of the hunt...hunting and dogs are somthing I "spend" money on....these "pro" coonhunters crack me up. What's next a "handlers union"? maybe a collective bargaining agreement??? Honesty is priceless....

P.S. I will see your dogs coon Mike...if he has it....you wont even need to buy my breakfast at the waffle house..... or give me a new blazer belt light.... or a pup from your stud dog.....

now that's funny. Lol

Posted by joe-mcavoy on 07-11-2012 01:14 AM:

Re: 10K?

quote:
Originally posted by Jay Chadwick
Is really not that much money in this day and age... but its interesting to see who would price their reputation and good name for such...where are all these 10K hunts? and who's winning them all? Maybe I've been living under a stump...seems alot of folks have lost touch with the "spirit" of the hunt...hunting and dogs are somthing I "spend" money on....these "pro" coonhunters crack me up. What's next a "handlers union"? maybe a collective bargaining agreement??? Honesty is priceless....

P.S. I will see your dogs coon Mike...if he has it....you wont even need to buy my breakfast at the waffle house..... or give me a new blazer belt light.... or a pup from your stud dog.....

10k at my house is a big chunk of money!

Posted by get rythym on 07-11-2012 02:09 AM:

the way i look at is if you got a straight up coon dog one thats hard to beat and the other handlers see that then their gonna try to get you scratched before you make the second or third drop and not have to worry about you the rest of the night,the paid handlers is gonna go blind or their light will quit burnin or goin dead at your tree and and workin good at their tree,so chances are and good honest coonhunter is gonna get bent over with no vasoline in the woods and walk away with his feelins hurt..but with 10k on the line i say leave your ego's at the truck and let the dogs decide who wins who agrees with that?

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Posted by Mike Knuckols on 07-11-2012 03:09 AM:

Re: 10K?

quote:
Originally posted by Jay Chadwick
Is really not that much money in this day and age... but its interesting to see who would price their reputation and good name for such...where are all these 10K hunts? and who's winning them all? Maybe I've been living under a stump...seems alot of folks have lost touch with the "spirit" of the hunt...hunting and dogs are somthing I "spend" money on....these "pro" coonhunters crack me up. What's next a "handlers union"? maybe a collective bargaining agreement??? Honesty is priceless....

P.S. I will see your dogs coon Mike...if he has it....you wont even need to buy my breakfast at the waffle house..... or give me a new blazer belt light.... or a pup from your stud dog.....

Thats awesome .I dont Know where You can just go hunt for that kinda money . I think the good ol boys honest do gooders lol are what makes up the clubs in this country. And if the win at all cost , dishonest competitors, or slik handlers continue to drive people away what is to become of the clubs ? The people or clubs are not going to hold hunts for a bunch of sliksters. Where are all these handlers gonna compete ? The people that run the clubs are unselfish, hard working , honest people THAT WOULD FIND YOUR COON . I wonder what kind of club it would be with all the members are win at all cost all about the money ? The sport of competitioncoon hunting would end . I dont think the kind of hunters that would bend the rules go blind on you or not shine your tree would ever be unselfish enough to run a club or put on a hunt that anyone would attend . Just my opinion . I have a lot of respect for the competitor that will do the right thing and I bet there is some very successful hunters that win that are as honest as anyone . I started this thread just to get a feel as to how this is viewed . I hope everyone has a job and I realise thats alot of money! A person can work a few months and EARN that much . Why sell your integrity down the river for the rest of Your life for that .

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Posted by Nat Thomas on 07-11-2012 03:40 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by bigdiezel79
It amazes me that some think not showing a coon is not cheating. If another handler is having a hard time finding a coon and I find it I will point it out if it means I loose the cast then so be it. The friendships you make coonhunting are worth far more than the plastic trophy or the 10k$. I dont care what anybody says I would rather be broke and have a bunch of true friends than Be a millionare with out a single person I caould call a friend.

Isnt having your dog in shape, knowing what it sounds like when its struck, knowing what it sounds like when it is treed, and being able to find its coon the job of the handler? 95% of the time if a dog has a coon you will find it in the first 2 minutes and Im gonna take my 2 minutes. I will help someone shine but Im not gonna break my neck to find someone elses coon and I dont expect anyone to break their neck to help me. This is the way it is at 95% of the hunts I go to and we still have fun an joke around. But 95% of those hunts are for money also. I learned a long time ago that if you want to fight and bicker all night with someone always gettingcheated, put a trophy that cost 1.50$ and a win slip on the line

Posted by Tony Dominguez on 07-11-2012 07:36 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Nat Thomas
Isnt having your dog in shape, knowing what it sounds like when its struck, knowing what it sounds like when it is treed, and being able to find its coon the job of the handler? 95% of the time if a dog has a coon you will find it in the first 2 minutes and Im gonna take my 2 minutes. I will help someone shine but Im not gonna break my neck to find someone elses coon and I dont expect anyone to break their neck to help me. This is the way it is at 95% of the hunts I go to and we still have fun an joke around. But 95% of those hunts are for money also. I learned a long time ago that if you want to fight and bicker all night with someone always gettingcheated, put a trophy that cost 1.50$ and a win slip on the line

HAHAHAHA YOUR 110% RIGHT NAT!!!

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Posted by l.lyle on 07-11-2012 08:05 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ohiocooner2.2
If someone refused to see my coon and cost me 10,000 you can bet more than a hundred dollar bill me or them one would take an a$$ whipping right then and there Go ahead and Bar me but I will teach someone a valuable lesson and maybe they wont do it to anyone else

I do see what you are saying and I agrEe to a point but I also had a peckerwood pointing out a black hole between pine bows and since he was famous wanted me to agree that it was acoon. Hell you could turn off your light all togther and see the sky in that black hole. I have to admit that I am the best coon finder I have ever seen. So I knew that I was getting my leg pulled and he knew he was trying it out LOl though tiiiy fellow. Stawp mine if you think you have a chance at it.

Posted by john Duemmer on 07-11-2012 07:49 PM:

Every member of the cast has a responsability to fairly shine every tree weather or not they have a dog on that tree doesnt matter and if they dont they are cheatin and poor sportsmen.
Every tree is scored by a cast vote,PLUS,MINUS, OR CIRCLE. If you havent shined the tree, you cant vote honestly and there is no middle ground between honest and dishonest.
If i have a handler on my cast that is not shining he will be scratched immediatly for unsportsman like behavior and if he wants to question it he can embarass himself further back at the club.

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Posted by BIGGUN! on 07-12-2012 01:58 AM:

karma is a beach, cheatin will bite u in the rump.i hunted with some of the slickest handlers in the country and beat them in there own game.alot of the cheaters like to sweet talk ppl to get there way.or buddy up with a friend.just show up with a good enough hound so if they cheat it will be extremely hard for them to win.know the rules dont let that happen to you.

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Posted by Mike Knuckols on 07-12-2012 03:00 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tony Dominguez
HAHAHAHA YOUR 110% RIGHT NAT!!!

what are you agreeing to Tony ? You act a fool if someone ask for the first two minutes to shine HaHa . Ive seen you pretty ticked off at ukc and pkc events lol remember lonestar 5000 ? Wasnt alot of fun was it ? UKC / PKC if their not competing fairly for money or a $1.50 trophy it leaves a pretty bad taste in your mouth doesnt it

Posted by Tony Dominguez on 07-12-2012 08:19 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Mike Knuckols
what are you agreeing to Tony ? You act a fool if someone ask for the first two minutes to shine HaHa . Ive seen you pretty ticked off at ukc and pkc events lol remember lonestar 5000 ? Wasnt alot of fun was it ? UKC / PKC if their not competing fairly for money or a $1.50 trophy it leaves a pretty bad taste in your mouth doesnt it

I don't act a fool, I just don't shine.... If they don't want me to shine the 1st 2 mins to try & help them they don't need my help the other time. Alot of big time handlers will say the same such as Ronnie Bone, Ryan Crowson, ect.

Posted by smokin-1-mo on 07-12-2012 01:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tony Dominguez
I don't act a fool, I just don't shine.... If they don't want me to shine the 1st 2 mins to try & help them they don't need my help the other time. Alot of big time handlers will say the same such as Ronnie Bone, Ryan Crowson, ect.

your not comparing yourself as a handler to bone are you.......i have none him for years and i promise you he might say alot of things but will help find a coon and is very good at it....

Posted by chuck west on 07-12-2012 02:11 PM:

Re: Re: 10K?

quote:
Originally posted by Mike Knuckols
Thats awesome .I dont Know where You can just go hunt for that kinda money . I think the good ol boys honest do gooders lol are what makes up the clubs in this country. And if the win at all cost , dishonest competitors, or slik handlers continue to drive people away what is to become of the clubs ? The people or clubs are not going to hold hunts for a bunch of sliksters. Where are all these handlers gonna compete ? The people that run the clubs are unselfish, hard working , honest people THAT WOULD FIND YOUR COON . I wonder what kind of club it would be with all the members are win at all cost all about the money ? The sport of competitioncoon hunting would end . I dont think the kind of hunters that would bend the rules go blind on you or not shine your tree would ever be unselfish enough to run a club or put on a hunt that anyone would attend . Just my opinion . I have a lot of respect for the competitor that will do the right thing and I bet there is some very successful hunters that win that are as honest as anyone . I started this thread just to get a feel as to how this is viewed . I hope everyone has a job and I realise thats alot of money! A person can work a few months and EARN that much . Why sell your integrity down the river for the rest of Your life for that .

Good Post ,,ty Chuck West

Posted by michael hope on 07-12-2012 02:36 PM:

this has probably been said before but if you are hunting for 10,000 it dont matter how many of the cast members see the coon there is no vote it is up to the non hunting judge to see it or not. if you do not shine the tree then you cant see a coon therfore you are not cheating you didnt see it. now is it right not to shine the tree? the people that are low down are the ones that shine the tree see the coon and never say anything. think about this if you and a non hunting judge are shining thats 2 lights in the tree if you cant find him in 8 or 10 minutes chances are you aint going to, there hae been several times i think you can have too many lights in a tree with all these new high powered lights some of the trees look like you ar etrying to land a jet plane. true story on the side of the river in a major event my hound was treed we were shinging a barge came down the river and i guess he wanted to help us shine he threw his light in the tree coon came down tree running and left i was the only one who saw the coon come down the tree as he bailed on the side i was standing on. lost cast needed to plus that one to win

Posted by jackbob42 on 07-12-2012 10:45 PM:

I ain't seen a good dog in a long time.
If he was good enough to hunt for and win 10 grand , I'd find his coon and give it to him just for the pleasure of hunting with him.

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Posted by Tony Dominguez on 07-13-2012 04:43 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by smokin-1-mo
your not comparing yourself as a handler to bone are you.......i have none him for years and i promise you he might say alot of things but will help find a coon and is very good at it....

HECK NO!!!! No one is or could be compared to Bone & yes he's the best I've ever seen at finding coons!!! If he can't find the coon its more then likely gunna be - tree regardless if its legit unless it has a hole in it. 1 of the best judges I've seen & a hell of a guy.

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