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Posted by A Dowell on 02-11-2010 12:16 AM:

no way papers dont matter i had 2 walker cur cross pups neather haD any papers what so ever my first dogs and both were good dogs till i sold um yea ull sell more with papers but unless ur a breeder or die hard comp hunter whats it matter if a pleasure dog is reg or not

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Posted by coondawg_hunter on 02-14-2010 06:07 AM:

huntaholic, you are wrong, this is about titled hounds vs. non titled hounds, but you misunderstand the meaning of the two! titled hound means CH, GR. CH, NT. CH, GR Nt. CH , and so be it vs. ' PR' whatever and 'PR' whatever else hound! and that is what this post is about, and yes this will prove that papers and titles mean nothing exactly, cuz it is about the dog/dogs and the best ones make themselves and paper only authenticates the hound! the hound still has to earn up to it! jeff eaves and tommy knapp along with myself, and buster selleck, will totally agree with me! it is so close to march! shaunvd, it would be an honor if you would accompany me on this challenge hunt!

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Posted by Huntaholic on 02-14-2010 08:56 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by coondawg_hunter
huntaholic, you are wrong, this is about titled hounds vs. non titled hounds, but you misunderstand the meaning of the two! titled hound means CH, GR. CH, NT. CH, GR Nt. CH , and so be it vs. ' PR' whatever and 'PR' whatever else hound! and that is what this post is about, and yes this will prove that papers and titles mean nothing exactly, cuz it is about the dog/dogs and the best ones make themselves and paper only authenticates the hound! the hound still has to earn up to it! jeff eaves and tommy knapp along with myself, and buster selleck, will totally agree with me! it is so close to march! shaunvd, it would be an honor if you would accompany me on this challenge hunt!


"I believe if you work and work with the dog you can make it run and tree a coon watched a house dog tree with my dogs you work with the dog I believe you can make it do what you want it to. So agree or disagree?"

The above is a direct copy and paste of the very first post in this thread. I did it that way because I couldnt quote BOTH of yall in one reply. Now wit that said, TELL ME HOW IM THE ONE WHO IS WRONG ABOUT THE ORIGINAL INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THIS POST??!!!! Sure sounds to me like the original poster is talking about what we call a GRADE DOG, IE NO PEDIGREE PAPERS PERIOD!
Now to address your take on the subject. I agree! A dog with papers and no titles can be every bit as good, sometimes better than a dog that titled.

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Posted by walkerman02 on 02-15-2010 06:29 PM:

papers is a plus

i like too think that good bloodline and papers just gives me a little extra help when trying to train a good coondog, you guys may not need it but i like to have all the help i can get..


Posted by T.Beyer on 02-15-2010 06:42 PM:

Last time I looked it too a Sire and a Dam to make a dog. Papers only tell the lineage. Those papers will not haul a dog to the woods, buy the gas or wear out the boots and lights to make a dog.

I use papers to determine whether or not I want to go and hunt with a particular dog, and then from the results of the hunt or hunts I go on with said dog, then I decide to buy a pup out of him or her.

Papers do not make the dog.

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Posted by mnplottman on 02-15-2010 08:04 PM:

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I dont think the papers make the dog but it sure helps when breeding. But its hard to hunt in a comp hunt without them.LOL
Im not big in comp hunts but i like to go to them once in awhile i pleasure hunt most of the time but grade dog or not i need papers to hunt comp.So i will always have a dog with papers JMO.

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Posted by coondawg_hunter on 02-15-2010 08:47 PM:

Re: papers do not make the dog agree or disagree

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Originally posted by boonetreecoon
I believe if you work and work with the dog you can make it run and tree a coon watched a house dog tree with my dogs you work with the dog I believe you can make it do what you want it to. So agree or disagree?

boone, i must agree with you 100% on this one! it is the work involved that really does truly make the dog, however, that dog must have it in them to make this possible! had a dog or 3 in the past with papers said thier entire bloodline was grand straight across the board! too much work and not a single chase of nothing but a food dish! had a dog or 3 in the past, cross bred and no papers, would chase and kill coon all night every night! see your point and i agree!

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Posted by coondawg_hunter on 02-15-2010 08:57 PM:

ps: maybe we need more grade dogs in the comp hunts to prove this point! however if ya got a pure bred hound with no papers, that is a good hound and can prove itself, you can single register that hound through ukc and put it in ukc hunts! don't just talk about it, don't just think about it,,,,,,,,,,, do it! they even have cross bred registration! the papers do not make the dog, the dog makes the dog, register the dog and let it prove itself from there! all said and done and hope this clears up any future questions!

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Posted by coondawg_hunter on 02-15-2010 09:18 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Huntaholic
"I believe if you work and work with the dog you can make it run and tree a coon watched a house dog tree with my dogs you work with the dog I believe you can make it do what you want it to. So agree or disagree?"

The above is a direct copy and paste of the very first post in this thread. I did it that way because I couldnt quote BOTH of yall in one reply. Now wit that said, TELL ME HOW IM THE ONE WHO IS WRONG ABOUT THE ORIGINAL INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THIS POST??!!!! Sure sounds to me like the original poster is talking about what we call a GRADE DOG, IE NO PEDIGREE PAPERS PERIOD!
Now to address your take on the subject. I agree! A dog with papers and no titles can be every bit as good, sometimes better than a dog that titled.


putting it that way, now i agree with ya! i have papers on both my redbones, but neither of them are titled such as nt ch, gr nt ch. one is ch but only on the bench which means notta in the woods, that is my point! but i am saying that because my hounds are no nt. ch. or gr. nt. ch they will hunt with the best of them, and come out looking real good! i'm no slick handler, and only call on my dogs when they speak! if i had to talk chit, and cheat to win, i would give away my dogs and take up a new hobby like knitting! lol!

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