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I believe if you work and work with the dog you can make it run and tree a coon watched a house dog tree with my dogs you work with the dog I believe you can make it do what you want it to. So agree or disagree?

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papers dont make a dog, but a lot of ppl look at them. my dad is particularly bad about it. if it aint papered he dont want nothin to do wit it. my b/f got a hell of a dog. 4 yrs wit lost puppy papers. she used to be a hell of a dog./

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Yes I agree a lot of people look at the papers but I just believe blood/papers don't make what that dogs gonna do

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papers mean nothing at , but that all grand ped sure looks good to the new coon hunters dont it lol, i have a few dogs without papers id put up against anything out there

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I AM YET TO SEE THE FIRST SET OF PAPERS TREE A COON. IVE HUNTED GRADE DOGS FOR YEARS NOW WITH NO PAPERS. I KNOW WHAT THERE OUT OF BUT STILL NO PAPERS. IVE HAD ALL GRAND DOGS AND ALL BUT ID SAY THE BEST IVE HAD WAS NOT PAPERED AND IT DONT BOTHER ME A BIT. CROSS BRED OR WHATEVER AS LONG AS IT DOES THE JOB I DONT CARE IF ITS A SHEAPARD............LOL.

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paper are for if you like to keep up with what bloodlines you got an 95& is to sell dogs JMO

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Yes I agree a lot of people look at the papers but I just believe blood/papers don't make what that dogs gonna do

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dont tree coon but i like them it helps keep up with the blood line but i onley breed coon dog to coon dog no mater wat tittels the dogs have but papers have there place in my breeding program but i onley breed for my sealf and sale wat i dont keep 4 wat it cost me to get them to the age they are at at the time i thin dowen becalws i cant train the hole litter of pups but the breeders that breed for the money like all grand pedigrees but some dont ,

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papers don't tree coon but it certainly can't hurt to have genetics on your side. Plus, like someone else said, they certainly help to sell pups.

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Papers do not make the dog. Never have, never will. They are however a record of the dogs family tree. It has always been the mission of breeders to breed the best to the best and papers are a record of their efforts. We have all seen papered up sorry hounds and no papered coondogs. In my opinion the dog has to have the "hunt" in them and handled properly, it will come out. Papers do sell pups though....

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No papers don't make the dog but the dogs in that pedigree along with good training determine how he turns out.

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Alot of people want a all grand ped. And don't want a dog with alot PR dogs on the papers Some of those PR dogs is better than any of those grnight stud dogs. When I buy a dog the papers go in a binder and I have to go back and look at them if someone ask me what there out of.But i'm as guilty as anyone else I like to have a nice set of papers even though in 12 years that I've been hunting they still haven't treed the first coon.

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papers mean nothing at , but that all grand ped sure looks good to the new coon hunters dont it lol, i have a few dogs without papers id put up against anything out there

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Seriously though, if they are that good why wouldnt you single register them? Can it be done?

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With what I've seen in recent years...I would say yes!

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my dogs have papers but i cant hunt them paper. i hunt the dog . i'v hunt with dogs that was breed high $ and my old old would tree many coon and do it right and there dogs would be 2 me dogs. is that the paper doing that. my dogs is breed right but i dont look at that paper work i hunt with other dog. I know if all about paper know not the dog. and it all about thr money too. saying all of that i made say of u mad . but it the trust. u all wil say no it not . but u know ur laying to urself. i know how u breeder are if all about the money not a good coon dog. i can sell as good if coon dogs as u right here where i live. same as u guys. and they buy the dog not the paper.

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In short. Papers look good; I don't know about you but I will never stand in line to breed to a 'PR' dog no matter how good it is. See here's my problem with it all. It is not in the least bit difficult to make a Grand Nite Champion in todays hunts. Those that do not try must have something to hide and those that try and fail are not the kind of traits I desire my young dogs to have.

Yes I think there is a little to much emphasis on the papers but tell that to all the individuals that made all 15 of those dogs Grand. See we don't look at that do we?

All we can do is badmouth all Grand Nites and say there junk but that isn't right. Sure many are but a blind man that doesn't know anything about either dog ( 'PR' over a Grand Nite) will pick the Grand Nite EVERY time. Wouldn't you?

Again I say why not? If you have a good dog make it grand nite! It's not hard if the dogs good! You may say well my dog isn't registered, Well single register it then make it Grand. I had a very good walker female that I single registered and she went from nothing to grand in 8 months. Like I said if the dog is up to par making it Grand is not hard.

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"I have a few dogs without papers and I'd put them up against anything out there"......

I love that line. They talk that smack because they know very well no one can challenge them to back it up next weekend at the local UKC hunt by showing what they got against 3 other dogs drawn at random. They can talk that talk because they don't haved to walk tha walk. Course they always have that famous Cecil Bowen line.....bring your best and hunt with mine! Just call first so I can make sure I'm somewhere else when you get here.....

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I will not feed a grade dog

It doesn't cost no more to feed a dog out of 2 grand nites than it does out of open reg.And if the dog makes it will be worth a consideable amount more ,having a good pedigree to back it up. JMO

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I don`t think papers make the dog but how do you know what you`ll get if you don`t know where it`s coming from? Different lines are known for different traits, some suit some hunters some don`t. I know of some lines that "might" hunt too deep for some people and others that might hunt too close. That is what the papers help you decide. Not foolproof but alot more predictable.

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all of my dogs has papers and they are breed right. them grand nite arent any better ten mine. it who u know. look at the walker breed . what im say it all about the money . i would hunt with a grand nite and i might win. but if u do win they would say there dog was not doing good that nite lol .like i said for yr its not the dog there after it the papers. it the pups are no good they say it because the f wasnt good. it alway something but not there dogs lol.

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I would think if you are just in it for fun and you have been in it long enough to know were to find a good dog with out seeing how they are bred on paper then paper is worthless.
On the other hand if a person likes to comp. hunt I can't see buying one that isn't performance, ss and / or bs. Don't cost much more and might get a check off them.
Other than that I just think the papers gives new people an idea what dogs are doing what. Not that others aren't just as good or better but if you are new it gives you something to go buy to get a pup.

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Dogpower , correct breeding methods , selection , culling , training ... it all matters.


I want to see a linebred pedigree OR know that the dogs in the pedigree had common and strong traits that will help me get a pup with those traits.

I don't care about the titles of anything famous .... but that pedigree represents more than just names on paper.

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Course they always have that famous Cecil Bowen line.....bring your best and hunt with mine! Just call first so I can make sure I'm somewhere else when you get here.....

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The papers and the dog are just as good as the man behind them.

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there have been a few crossbred dogs that excell at hunting but with out parers where do you go from there hard rock was a superdog but i have yet seen him produce as good as he is papers are a tool to breed by to keep and maintain a hounds good traits with out papers there is no line to follow as breeding these dogs is mostly one big crapshoot.
papers don't tree a coon but hounds carring this piece of paper do

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