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Originally posted by Larry Atherton
Actually, that isn't completely correct, Dirtdevil. If you know the family history, you can create a genetic analysis pedigree.

Chapter 6 of Control of Canine Genetic Diseases is titled The Interpretation and Use of Pedigrees to Determine the Genetic Status of Given Dogs.

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Plants,

I was talking with a guy the other day on the phone, won't mention any names. But he was telling me how he was a plant geneticist for over 30 yrs, our conversation was basically one sided for he was speaking about stuff way over my head...But I listened and tried not to ask him to repeat himself to much, cause I already felt stupid and didn't want to sound stupid on top of it..
But he was a firm believer in line breeding and inbreeding, said he could almost clone certain species of plants and animals by inbreeding and line breeding heavy. Constantly choosing animals with the same traits, looks, behavior, habits, etc...It was a very interesting conversation...
The reason I called this gentleman was he had made a father daughter cross. I was curious about...the sire of the litter would of been the pups Father, Grand father X2, and Great Grand Father ....Thus the conversation...Just thought I would Share this...

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Jason Clark
Home of over 25 yrs of Line bred Brookshier hounds!
Home of Line bred Durbins Rambler Hounds and heavy line bred Rolling Hills hounds.

~Where a man's word still means something & a handshake is all We need!!!

~Grntch Chestnut Grove Ben Semen(Full Brother to Uplinger's Joe & Son of Logan's Wild Clover x Sandy Creek Daisy) Not For Sale - Frank Hummel/Jason Clark

~Grntch Hardwood Whiner/Rolling Hills Hunter Semen(Son of Durbin's Rambler x Rolling Hills Jane) Not For Sale




~Dual ch.Brookshiers Finley River Driver(2007 Walker days 1st place & high scoring walker male sat) (Uncle Lee x Finley River Sally)
~3 Wins to Grand, Nitch Clark's Mr.Wilson HTX(Driver x Cane River Cry Babe) Qualified 2014, 2016 UKC World Hunt
~Brookshier's Finley River Salty (Grntch. Brookshier's Finley River Sting x Cane River Trudy,Trudy is a Littermate to Wilson and Sassy)
~Brookshier's Finley River Sniper (Driver x Kraviks Babe) Uncle niece cross
~Brookshier's Finley River Momba (Driver X Kraviks Babe) Uncle Niece Cross
~Nitch Cane River Sassy (Driver x Cane River Cry Babe)Qualified 2012 UKC World Hunt
~Clark's Finley River Spot(Finley River Zig x Ramblin Jane) Winer and Ramblin Jane are Brother&Sister
~Clark's Rolling Hills Skinner (Grntch Hardwood Winer x Clark's Finley River Spot)
~Nitch Brookshier's Crosscountry Gert. (Uncle Lee x Crosscountry music) Daughter of Lone Pine Dewey
~Nitch Brookshier's Finley River Viper(Uncle Lee x Finley River Sally)
~Brookshier's Fullblown Rage (Uncle Lee x Finley River Molly ) Daughter of F.R. Lonnie x Fulkerson's F.R. Suzy
~Clark's Little River (Grntch Shoemakers Gator x Grntch Shoemakers Lou
~Brookshier's Otter Creek Dan (Uncle Lee x Otter Creek Hanna, Daughter of Otter Creek Rusty)
~Brookshier's Little Lady (Uncle Lee x Otter Creek Hanna, Daughter of Otter Creek Rusty)
~Brookshier's Penns. Scooby (Denny Burn's Willie x Backwater Kate ,Uncle Lee's mother)

http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=1918150
That is an example of a LINEbreedimg...not IN breeding. Note the 3x3 ( Molotov is present in 3rd gen of sire and dam). This is one of my pups. The sire although spectacular has been largely a dud at stud. Although most of his breedings have been 3x3x4. Just am example of what a linebreeding looks like on paper. i would say this was not successful. The difference in inbreeding/linebreeding for "type" is that you do get offspring that looks the same type. This works well in the show dog world. However in performance dogs.....whole different ball game!

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"The Frozen Semen Specialist"
CCH GRCH 'PR' Brushy Mtn Dust To Diamonds
BMOS SETW Days 'PR' Knockhill Fast Freddy

http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d=O...p;x=37&y=17
Another...one of the greatest racing dogs that ever lived. Whole litter was fantastic. Almost total outcross. His sire and his sire's sire were super producers. They actually out produced their opportunities (broods). Usually it is the other way around, the studs under produce to their opportunities ( good broods).

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"The Frozen Semen Specialist"
CCH GRCH 'PR' Brushy Mtn Dust To Diamonds
BMOS SETW Days 'PR' Knockhill Fast Freddy

CAMANDER WAS BRED TO A FULL SISTER HERE IN OKLA. AND ONE PUP HAD IT ALL, THE PUP WAS THE ONLY RACING GREYHOUND EVER STUDED WITHOUT RACING, HE WAS SENDICATED FOR 1/4 OF A MILLION. TOTALY INBRED.

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HOME OF 2010 HIGH SCOREING REDBONE FEMALE, DUAL CH Y2KD, #7 REPRODUCING RED FEMALE
NT.Ch. WINNER AT REDBONE SEC. 2008
3RD PL. NT.CH. 2009 BATTLE OF BREEDS AT ADA OKLA.
4TH PLACE R.Q.E 2010
2ND PLACE OVERALL AT ZONE 4 AND DOUBLE CAST WINNER 2010
WENT TO 2010 WORLD HUNT
AMERICAN REDBONE ASSOCIATION HIGH SCOREING REDBONE FEMALE OF THE 2010 WORLD HUNT
OVERALL HI SCOREING DOG AT 2010 BBCHA BLUE TIC SECTIONAL
GR.NT.CH. AT 12 and A HALF
MADE-EM SEE RED

Dogs name was Cousy. Bought by Cary Alsobrook and Charter Kennel. And they did breed him. Offspring didn't perform well at all....but the few daughters bred did produce!

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"The Frozen Semen Specialist"
CCH GRCH 'PR' Brushy Mtn Dust To Diamonds
BMOS SETW Days 'PR' Knockhill Fast Freddy

Dirtdevil,

I was only repeating what the top guy on canine genetic diseases in this country was saying.

Of course, it doesn't give a total picture of a dog's genome, but it does offer a picture for any trait you want to look at.

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Larry Atherton

Aim small miss small