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Posted by TreeTex on 07-20-2009 05:04 PM:

i agree 100%

Posted by Justin Smith on 07-20-2009 05:23 PM:

Ear length has something to do with nose , Bloodhounds and all your cold nosed scent hounds have long years .

Not sure there is a a single breed of consistantly cold nose dogs with short years ... the strains of cur types and such with more nose consistantly favor the long eared hounds in looks and voice.

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 07-20-2009 07:47 PM:

Long Wide Ears are for Cooling .. Most "Long Eared" Scenting Hounds org. From close to the Equator .. Thus More Floppy Skin and Ears ..

anyway here are some neet Bloodhound Tracking Clips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqy6tfo1w7c

MythBusters .. and a Fast Bloodhound

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qfraxN3Jzo

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Posted by mjflores on 07-21-2009 01:23 AM:

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Originally posted by Majestic Tree H
Long Wide Ears are for Cooling .. Most "Long Eared" Scenting Hounds org. From close to the Equator .. Thus More Floppy Skin and Ears ..

anyway here are some neet Bloodhound Tracking Clips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqy6tfo1w7c

MythBusters .. and a Fast Bloodhound

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qfraxN3Jzo

Too Funny. A bloodhound's ear is in no way, shape, or form, meant to cool the body down! They have no muscle power, and cant be flapped to promote cooling of the blood in the ear veins. You're thinking of elephants...not bloodhounds. As far as bloodhounds and ear length, look at historical paintings and you'll see they had medium to short ears...not the extended ears they have today. They've been bred..along with bassets, to have rediculous ears and body size because it makes the pups cute looking which in turn increase sales to pet owners.

Why do coondogs have shorter ears these days? because the best get bred to the best and they happen to have shorter ears....sorry to have to point that out, but it's the truth.

And no, dont show us a bloodhound from the 70's with long ears and try to combat what I just said. When speaking genetics, and changes from breeding....40 years is comparativly just a few moments in time.

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Posted by TreeTex on 07-21-2009 01:27 AM:

i got some good sized ears on me and it don't cool me down a bit !!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by john nannemann on 07-21-2009 06:19 AM:

Re: Years

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Posted by Jamie S on 07-21-2009 03:10 PM:

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Originally posted by BRYAN J
Anyone ever read that article?

Read it and many experts agree.... the ears help "gather" the scent. Which is why Bloodhounds can cold track better. And it's funny but Black and Tans were bred down from Bloodhounds and a few other scenthounds to become the breed they are today lol. But this is just based on my findings from the AKC site and various search engines... although I do pick the runt of the litter with ears that meet breed standards.

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 07-21-2009 04:00 PM:

No other Dog or Hound other than a Bloodhound could handle a 24 hr. old Man scent in the Days of the Southern Work Camps in Summer temps of 100^ plus .. The Others Just Quit ..

Posted by Jamie S on 07-21-2009 08:44 PM:

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Originally posted by Majestic Tree H
No other Dog or Hound other than a Bloodhound could handle a 24 hr. old Man scent in the Days of the Southern Work Camps in Summer temps of 100^ plus .. The Others Just Quit ..

hehehehe I took this to mean deoderant should have been invented sooner LOL

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 07-21-2009 08:54 PM:

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Originally posted by Jamie S
hehehehe I took this to mean deoderant should have been invented sooner LOL

Yep they needed "Scent Blocker" .. I still don't think that would help them .. !! One Bloodhound in the South Recovered 84 out of 96 "Runners" Some were Eaten before they were found .. Gatters thought they were tasty when they tried to Swim their way from the Hounds..

Posted by Walker-King76 on 07-22-2009 01:17 AM:

they look ugly but what does it matter if they show you coon every night you take them out hunting.............................................but i love those hounds with perfect ears they are beautiful well the walkers anyway haha

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Posted by Plottluvr on 07-22-2009 03:30 AM:

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Originally posted by mjflores
Too Funny. A bloodhound's ear is in no way, shape, or form, meant to cool the body down! They have no muscle power, and cant be flapped to promote cooling of the blood in the ear veins. You're thinking of elephants...not bloodhounds. As far as bloodhounds and ear length, look at historical paintings and you'll see they had medium to short ears...not the extended ears they have today. They've been bred..along with bassets, to have rediculous ears and body size because it makes the pups cute looking which in turn increase sales to pet owners.

Why do coondogs have shorter ears these days? because the best get bred to the best and they happen to have shorter ears....sorry to have to point that out, but it's the truth.

And no, dont show us a bloodhound from the 70's with long ears and try to combat what I just said. When speaking genetics, and changes from breeding....40 years is comparativly just a few moments in time.

Mr Flores...when he says cooling he means the veins in the ears stick out thus providing more coverage to the air allowing for the blood to cool and be transfered to the rest of the body thus helping to cool the dog. With the longer ears of the bloodhound there is more vein coverage thus allowing for quicker cooling of the dog.

Ever notice the veins on your dogs ears stand out?

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Posted by mjflores on 07-22-2009 02:17 PM:

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Mr Flores...when he says cooling he means the veins in the ears stick out thus providing more coverage to the air allowing for the blood to cool and be transfered to the rest of the body thus helping to cool the dog. With the longer ears of the bloodhound there is more vein coverage thus allowing for quicker cooling of the dog.

Ever notice the veins on your dogs ears stand out?

Do you seriously believe that?? I mean really? Seriously???

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 07-22-2009 04:02 PM:

One other Thing ... Those Nasty Coons can hang on my Ears all they want !!! But please Don't hang off My Lips !!!!! That Stuff Really Hurts !!

The First thing a coons going to Bite on a Dumb Hound (that does'nt know how to Finish a Coon) is the first Flesh he sees .......... Lips or Ears

Posted by cedarhillkennel on 07-22-2009 04:14 PM:

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Originally posted by mjflores
Do you seriously believe that?? I mean really? Seriously???

umm yep cause its true

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 07-22-2009 05:03 PM:

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Originally posted by mjflores
Seem to be the first thing a coon latches onto, and they get torn up in briars, sticks, etc. A torn ear bleeds A LOT!

Out of his own Mouth earlier "They Bleed ALOT"

Cuz theirs Twice as Much Blood Pumping thru the Ears !!!! Cooling the Blood Down More " I'am a Believer "

Posted by mjflores on 07-22-2009 07:39 PM:

True, ears bleed allot...everyone knows that.

But they don't cool down a hound...not even in the slightest way. You as a "breeder" of those bloodhound thingys should know that...It's embarrassing seeing what you spout off as alleged fact on here. Your statements are absurd!

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 07-22-2009 07:42 PM:

Why do Spitz Shepards and the Rest of the Northren Dog have Short Hair Covered Ears ?????????????

To Retain Their Heat

Posted by Plottluvr on 07-22-2009 07:50 PM:

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Originally posted by mjflores
Do you seriously believe that?? I mean really? Seriously???

Yes I do. Its basic. Same thing on horses. When you want to cool a horse down faster you apply cold water to the major veins in their neck and wrap their legs with wet bandages. Why?? To cool the blood faster thus cooling the animal faster.

When a dog has heat stroke the vet will tell you to place cool wet towels under the front legs in the arm pit area and between the back legs...why? because that is where the largest veins are and they will cool the blood the fastest thus cooling the dog faster.

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Posted by Plottluvr on 07-22-2009 07:52 PM:

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Originally posted by mjflores
True, ears bleed allot...everyone knows that.

But they don't cool down a hound...not even in the slightest way. You as a "breeder" of those bloodhound thingys should know that...It's embarrassing seeing what you spout off as alleged fact on here. Your statements are absurd!

You are clueless. And in your own ignorance you tell others they are wrong. Dude...seriously....you're embarassing yourself.

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Posted by mjflores on 07-22-2009 08:07 PM:

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Yes I do. Its basic. Same thing on horses. When you want to cool a horse down faster you apply cold water to the major veins in their neck and wrap their legs with wet bandages. Why?? To cool the blood faster thus cooling the animal faster.

When a dog has heat stroke the vet will tell you to place cool wet towels under the front legs in the arm pit area and between the back legs...why? because that is where the largest veins are and they will cool the blood the fastest thus cooling the dog faster.

Funny, if your twisted logic were true wouldn't you just stick an ice cube in each ear on a hot dog or horse? Your horse reference is particularly disturbing...you argue that ears are for cooling...yet you state that you cool a horse by wrapping cool cloth around it's neck and legs. Does a horses ears share the same amount of body surface as it's neck and tail? I'm not sure where you're from, but around here no horse has 20 foot long ears.

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Posted by mjflores on 07-22-2009 08:17 PM:

For the record...the blood supply, IE veins in a dogs ears is only meant to supply oxygen to the ear tissue. Cooling the neck of a mammal cools the blood in the cartoid artery...this is a main artery that circulates allot of blood through out a body. Ear veins cannot be compared to the cartoid artery. I would have thought that everyone knew that. I guess when you want a true surprise, have a look at intelligence on an internet message board.

So for the record...we have two grown adults that really think long ears on a dog are to keep them cool? There's really a guy here, that breeds bloodhounds...and honestly believes that the small veins in a bloodhounds ears keep it's body cool. REALLY? so you too are willing to go on public record claiming that ear length influences body cooling?? Seriously? I mean...really???? So you're both telling us that the amount of blood in an ear on a bloodhound can cool and circulate the body faster than that same body can generate heat? Am I understanding you right?

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Posted by josh on 07-22-2009 08:21 PM:

Wow..

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 07-22-2009 08:24 PM:

Saluki, Afgan, Grand Blue de Gascon, Grand Gascon-Saintongeois
I can go on and on about the Hounds of the Mediterranean /North Africa Region.

Posted by V. Cannon on 07-22-2009 08:27 PM:

Reading this thread is kinda like watching the three stooges, entertaining but not very educational.

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