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Posted by Dan Dogs on 10-12-2006 11:50 PM:

my vet

told me 3 straws was one breeding unit, this is the vet that collected the semen. he is one of the more respected vets in wis. for artificial insemanation and semen collecting. thats all i can tell ya!!! Jackson Pet Hospital DVM Dr.Brown over by Milwaukee Wis.

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Posted by Lonnie P on 10-13-2006 12:06 AM:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Russell Boyette
[B]The percentages should hold up though. Lipper was what, a 10-12% reproducer when he was alive.
I think it's more like 7-8%

Posted by zapper on 10-13-2006 12:21 AM:

houses lipper semen

quote:
Originally posted by Russell Boyette
Those are all very well possible. I believe Doyen Crites told me that Once Frozen said that they needed 3 straws to do a breeding of it. So it may very well be watered down.

I just cant figure why no top pups have been born out of the semen. Some reproducing females have been bred to it, but very few to none of the pups are showing up at the Super Stakes, Futurity.

I just believe that it is today's females, because Lipper seemed to cross average to above average on all bloodlines.

Could it be that the pups are priced so high that they are not getting to the men who are great pup trainers?

A FRIEND OF MINE HAS A 5YR OLD FEMALE OFF LIPPER SEMEN AND HE USED 11/2 STRAWS AND GOT 10 PUPS.ALOT OF HUNTERS DONT EVEN GO TO THE SUPER STAKES AND ALOT OF HUNTERS DONT COMPETION HUNT. ALOT OF COONHUNTERS LIKE THE LIPPER TRACK POWER.LIPPER IS ON THE PEDIGRE OF ALOT OF YOUR TOP HOUNDS OF TODAY! THAT TELLS ME ALOT!

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Posted by walkercash on 10-13-2006 12:30 AM:

Re: houses lipper semen

quote:
Originally posted by zapper
A FRIEND OF MINE HAS A 5YR OLD FEMALE OFF LIPPER SEMEN AND HE USED 11/2 STRAWS AND GOT 10 PUPS.ALOT OF HUNTERS DONT EVEN GO TO THE SUPER STAKES AND ALOT OF HUNTERS DONT COMPETION HUNT. ALOT OF COONHUNTERS LIKE THE LIPPER TRACK POWER.LIPPER IS ON THE PEDIGRE OF ALOT OF YOUR TOP HOUNDS OF TODAY! THAT TELLS ME ALOT!

How far back?

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Posted by wildbill on 10-13-2006 01:36 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Russell Boyette
Those are all very well possible. I believe Doyen Crites told me that Once Frozen said that they needed 3 straws to do a breeding of it. So it may very well be watered down.

I just cant figure why no top pups have been born out of the semen. Some reproducing females have been bred to it, but very few to none of the pups are showing up at the Super Stakes, Futurity.

I just believe that it is today's females, because Lipper seemed to cross average to above average on all bloodlines.

Could it be that the pups are priced so high that they are not getting to the men who are great pup trainers?

the price of the seman and the price of the pups is why you dont see that many pups going to the real trainers(coonhunters)

when lipper was alive and breeding
coonhunters had them and along comes someone with enough money to buy the good trained pups and start promoting them like they done the training themselves,
changing the names so they could take the credit ...

thats why you dont see them good ones now ,the poorboy that coonhunt cant afford them now..

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Posted by wildbill on 10-13-2006 01:49 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by blueticking: it
Russell you seem to know a lot about the
lipper line.there was a dog around 88-89
that Don Gostmski last name is butchered
i think the dogs name was lippers mack
how is this line doing and if somebody crosses
one back on lipper semen i would be intrested
prob. the best dog lipper threw

mack was off 7mile sue and lipper
mack was tearing the coonhound world up,
winning about everything he entered ..

so was another full brother of his later on and the same thing happened to him..
"7 mile hide" i think was his name..

neither was for sale and both ended up found dead from poison from what i remember ...

after mack died,,
don slowed down for awhile but i think he still has some of the mack blood ,
dont know if he was collected or not,,would have been nice if he was...

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Posted by V. Cannon on 10-13-2006 02:07 AM:

brad still has a bunch of Hide's semen

Posted by wildbill on 10-13-2006 02:16 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by V. Cannon
brad still has a bunch of Hide's semen

has he used any of it or plan on using it..any for sale,,any pups around from hide??

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Posted by V. Cannon on 10-13-2006 02:23 AM:

Brad hasn't turned a dog loose since Hide died (antifreeze), I'm sure he would sell some of the semen.

I kept hide here part of the time, I probally hunted him more than he did.

there was a few pups from Hide that Brad had that looked impressive but Brad lost interest and they went to waste

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 10-13-2006 02:28 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by wildbill
mack was off 7mile sue and lipper
mack was tearing the coonhound world up,
winning about everything he entered ..

so was another full brother of his later on and the same thing happened to him..
"7 mile hide" i think was his name..

neither was for sale and both ended up found dead from poison from what i remember ...

after mack died,,
don slowed down for awhile but i think he still has some of the mack blood ,
dont know if he was collected or not,,would have been nice if he was...

just want to see if any these guys new what made
lipper

Posted by wildbill on 10-13-2006 02:59 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by blueticking: it
just want to see if any these guys new what made
lipper

i would say same as the other studs ,,getting the pups into the hands of real coonhunters...

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Posted by wildbill on 10-13-2006 03:12 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by V. Cannon
Brad hasn't turned a dog loose since Hide died (antifreeze), I'm sure he would sell some of the semen.

I kept hide here part of the time, I probally hunted him more than he did.

there was a few pups from Hide that Brad had that looked impressive but Brad lost interest and they went to waste

pm me your number/best time to call you and ill try to call you this weekend..
semi went into shop awhile back and has set me back,,if i can get the bank off my back so they dont try to take the house,,and i dont sell hazell ,she should cross good on the old hide blood..what you think??
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Posted by zapper on 10-13-2006 04:57 PM:

Re: Re: Re: House's Lipper semen?

quote:
Originally posted by Russell Boyette
Lipper seemed to throw nice pups off any female when he was in his breeding prime. Im not reccomending breeding a sorry female, but there is a difference in the quality pups from Lipper and Lipper semen. I personally believe the pup are too expensive to get to capable pup men. But thats just my opinion.

Good luck on getting pups! I've seen men spend alot of $$$ on breeding to this Lipper semen, and not get the first pup. It seems to be a crap shoot

Russell,how many lipper semen pups have you seen for sale?personally i know of none!How many dogs directly off lipper and directly off lipper semen have you been to the timber with?also there are other pups off some high caliber crosses such as stylish harry and nailor crosses that are just as expensive.Sounds to me you would like to have a lipper semen pup but dont want to pay the price or cant.Sometimes sacrifices have to be made.I have a suggestion.i bred my Sackett jr. female to SKUNA RIVER FRED last summer.He is line bred HOUSES LIPPER and he is reproducing with the right females.I have four pups out of this cross that are outstanding coondogs!excellant noses,track power,and consistantly accurate.You can breed to Fred for $400.00 or purchase a weened pup for the same.I will definetly be breeding back to him in the future!

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Posted by Russell Boyette on 10-13-2006 05:51 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: House's Lipper semen?

quote:
Originally posted by zapper
.Sounds to me you would like to have a lipper semen pup but dont want to pay the price or cant.

Money is not the problem. But why should i spend my $1000-$1500 on a pup from a cross that nothing has been produced from? The only cross i have seen on Lipper semen that reproduced a big winner was the cross Cade and TJ are from, and that cross was made what, 5-6 years ago. There are pups that i would give a high price tag for, but not for a cross that has only produced a handful of dogs. Thanks for the heads up on the Skuna River Fred bargain, but i think i'll pass for now

You have me thinking on how many Lipper dogs and Lipper semen dogs i have hunted with. I think ive only hunt with around 8-10 off Lipper, and 3-4 off the semen. I liked what i saw in the dog's i hunted with off Lipper, but i cant make a judgment on what i have seen from the semen pups. They were young dogs, probably 10-15 months old, and none were doing anything yet

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Posted by V. Cannon on 10-13-2006 06:01 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: House's Lipper semen?

quote:
Originally posted by Russell Boyette

You have me thinking on how many Lipper dogs and Lipper semen dogs i have hunted with. I think ive only hunt with around 8-10 off Lipper, and 3-4 off the semen. I liked what i saw in the dog's i hunted with off Lipper, but i cant make a judgment on what i have seen from the semen pups. They were young dogs, probably 10-15 months old, and none were doing anything yet [/B]

Lipper pups wasn't known for starting early unless it was from one of those females that reproduced good pups from everything she was bred to.

the best thing that lipper contributed to the walker breed was a bigger mouth and more stamina when running DEER.

Posted by Russell Boyette on 10-13-2006 06:04 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: House's Lipper semen?

quote:
Originally posted by V. Cannon
Lipper pups wasn't known for starting early unless it was from one of those females that reproduced good pups from everything she was bred to.

the best thing that lipper contributed to the walker breed was a bigger mouth and more stamina when running DEER.

LOL i like that Stamina. They will run one out to the road where i can catch & correct, instead of running it in a circle for 3 hours.

Posted by V. Cannon on 10-13-2006 06:06 PM:

Lipper pups didn't trail deer than RAN DEER.

Posted by wildbill on 10-13-2006 08:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by V. Cannon
Lipper pups didn't trail deer than RAN DEER.

as in run to catch,,lol

maybe tie a coonhide to the tail of a training deer and look out,,lol

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Posted by wade hahn on 10-13-2006 09:05 PM:

Lets face it boys Rattler put Lipper in the hall of fame and vise verses. Crossing those crazy track driving last coon up or look for anouther track lipper bitches on rattler finely put the brakes on them. Remember he only prodused 7.9% when he was alive so it takes alot of pups to get a good one....

Posted by Christy on 10-13-2006 09:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Russell Boyette
there are not near the percentage of dogs out of Lipper Semen making NTCH & GRNTCH. Nor, are they winning hunts like they used to.

MAYBE IT'S SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT THE COMPETITION IS BETTER TODAY THAN WHAT IT WAS THEN???

COULD THAT BE THE REASON?

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