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Originally posted by ole hoss
I wish there was hunts that scratched the backer!! I think everyone of them should be scratched for gaining points for something they did not do!! There’s a difference between a fast track dog and one that just picks it’s head up and runs to a dog that’s treed!! A dog man can tell the difference!! I will not pack one to town that backs. I’m not saying it’s wrong or right but I want it ALL weather it’s good or bad. If they all struck and treed for the same amount of points by there self we would see which one is the best!! Scratch the backer!! Gets beat on track, SCRATCH EM, backs way late SCRATCH EM we suppose to be rewarding the dog that TREES THE MOST COONS not the ones that rack up the biggest scores. Take the coon treer out the cast and ole backing Betty will take all night to get a coon treed or stand beside us with her ears perked up. But it ain’t like that so next thing you know those that ain’t got much sense (there’s a bunch of em) are breeding to these big winners and they don’t really have much to offer to the breed!! Jmo

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There are also plenty of "deep and alone" dogs because they are not very good track dogs and they have to get by themselves to have a chance at getting first tree and they have to go .6 to find a coon hot enough for them to run and bush.

If you gonna tout the good you also gotta tout the bad.

The first ones that trained them that way were tired of getting beat by a fast track dog so they made them to where it didn't matter how long it took them to tree.

Both ends of the spectrum are 100% truth.

Its up to the houndsman to determine which one he is dealing with.

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Originally posted by pamjohnson
interesting way to look at it. Although there are a lot of the lonely non backers that aren't worth breeding to as well.

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.6 of a mile is NOTHING here. Coons this time of year around here are pretty deep anyways. My buddy has one that consistently goes over a mile. I think the last time I was out with her she went 2.3 miles (In God's country, no driving around, NO GETTING CLOSER). Back in 2010/2011 our Bo dog went over 3 miles on several occasions. Both of these dogs were/are deadly accurate, both are what I call AMBUSH dogs. They go until they find a hot track and they tree it, could be 97 yards could be 5.3 miles. So you better have plenty of gas in the truck and a comfortable pair of boots cuz more then likely your going for a WALK!!

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Originally posted by GLANCY'S 7 MILE
.6 of a mile is NOTHING here. Coons this time of year around here are pretty deep anyways. My buddy has one that consistently goes over a mile. I think the last time I was out with her she went 2.3 miles (In God's country, no driving around, NO GETTING CLOSER). Back in 2010/2011 our Bo dog went over 3 miles on several occasions. Both of these dogs were/are deadly accurate, both are what I call AMBUSH dogs. They go until they find a hot track and they tree it, could be 97 yards could be 5.3 miles. So you better have plenty of gas in the truck and a comfortable pair of boots cuz more then likely your going for a WALK!!

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Originally posted by ole hoss
. I like them kind

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I LIKE A DOG TO DO ITS OWN THING AS WELL WHETHER ITS TREE ONE CLOSE OR HUNT OUT DEEP IF NEED BE BUT MOST OF YOUR. “DEEP AND ALONE “ARE MAN MADE DOGS NOT NATURAL!!!I DONT WANT MY DOG TO LEAVE A COON TO FIND A COON!!! JUST LIKE FISHING YOUR CATCHING FISH YOU DONT LEAVE TO LOOK FOR FISH!!!!

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Originally posted by k.trumble
“DEEP AND ALONE “ARE MAN MADE DOGS NOT NATURAL!!!

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My hounds will and sometimes get deep but I don't enjoy it like I did when I was young and dumb. Before Garmin I really got tired of dog hunting more than coon hunting. It helped teach me what was most important. If 2 or 3 miles happens very often either ya need a better dog or more importantly ya need to learn how to handle a dog that has the desire to hunt.

Good Lord when did .6 mile in become a deep hunting dog. Mine covered 1.5 miles the other night to tree .41 in there and was alone. Should I consider him deep and alone? My point is hunt what you have and if you don’t like another guys style of dog so be it.

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Originally posted by Cry Tough Blues
...... My point is hunt what you have and if you don’t like another guys style of dog so be it.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Why in the world would you like that kind?

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by TylerOSU
[B]I absolutely disagree with this statement 100%. I'm sure Jason will back me up on it as well. Some dogs absolutely hate company to extreme. We have bred it in them through years of selective breeding programs. Yes you can man make one but why would you put all that time and effort into one when there is some out there that do it naturally?

I DIDNT SAY ALL I SAID MOST IVE HAD A COUPLE THAT WERE LIKE THAT JUST SAYING MOST OF THEM ARE MADE

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Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
Very few slicks. No grubbing around on the ground.

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Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
.....No grubbing around on the ground.

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Originally posted by ole hoss
I wish there was hunts that scratched the backer!! I think everyone of them should be scratched for gaining points for something they did not do!! There’s a difference between a fast track dog and one that just picks it’s head up and runs to a dog that’s treed!! A dog man can tell the difference!! I will not pack one to town that backs. I’m not saying it’s wrong or right but I want it ALL weather it’s good or bad. If they all struck and treed for the same amount of points by there self we would see which one is the best!! Scratch the backer!! Gets beat on track, SCRATCH EM, backs way late SCRATCH EM we suppose to be rewarding the dog that TREES THE MOST COONS not the ones that rack up the biggest scores. Take the coon treer out the cast and ole backing Betty will take all night to get a coon treed or stand beside us with her ears perked up. But it ain’t like that so next thing you know those that ain’t got much sense (there’s a bunch of em) are breeding to these big winners and they don’t really have much to offer to the breed!! Jmo

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Originally posted by Robert Johnson
Last time I looked at a scorecard, and that was this past Saturday night, I saw nothing on it that asked for a most coons treed, but I did see a high score. I think you are wrong in your usumption of what we should be looking for in a dog for hunts.

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Originally posted by ole hoss
I never said it was that way but if all the breeds was to die what would you want to start with? One that doesn’t need any help to tree a coon or one that gets struck on dog tracks and backs? I’ll continue to hunt those that sink in that country and tree coons. I’ve done very well in a short amount of time with this type. I’ll continue to breed and train this type. If not I’ll quit!!!
Though the backers are on a come back. Strike off the lead snap and back every dog in the cast will get you a big score as long as you draw 3 coon tree’rs!! Just not my type of dog!! When people get honest about what they got the breeds will get better. But that’s asking a lot from a generation that hides from the truth!!

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If I wanted to hunt in the next county I'd just turn loose over there! But that's just me

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
...Some call that trailing.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
I watched some play by plays of large hunts lately where they are struck under the minute or the 30 and minused for slicks or leaving trees.

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Love em or hate em the DEEP AND ALONE type of dogs are hard to clean after, wither your scoring with a .22 just out hunting or with a pencil and score card. Hate em, cuss em, all you want but there going to have a coon a high majority of the time and they don't take all night doing so. Like I mentioned before there not the most enjoyable pleasure dogs, they have faults just like all the rest but they have a plus side as well. If you don't think so wait till you draw one and you'll find out.

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I have seen a lot of dogs described as deep and alone, but really aren’t. I think you have to ask yourself why are they alone, their can be a host of reasons why. About 20 years ago i raised a pup that was an absolute dead loaner, before it was popular, I thought something was wrong with her. She entered this world the way she was. The first tree she ever made she was split on a big den, As long as I had her she never treed behind another dog or with another dog. She is one that I regret selling. As she got older, after I sold her, dogs could tree with her right outa the truck, but after that she would be far enpugh way she would be alone.

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