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Just the fact this type of post is being discussed, indicates to me , that a title does not mean much of anything. A dog may or may not be able to tree a coondog by themselves regardless of a title that should indicate a high degree of talent. I know that I want to see the dog perform in the woods regardless of championship title/s, before I buy. Dave

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Oh my goodness, the old pleasure hound vs comp hound arguement has reared it's ugly head yet again.

I'd wager to say that way more dogs perform better alone then with others. But there are exceptions

Richard what percentage of competition dogs are not a enjoyable to pleasure hunt with.


Be back in a bit got to go pick grapes I want an paragraph explaining your point lol.



Tar

Just because some people bring a piece of crap dog to a nite hunt an I bring a coon dog an spank your arse Don’t Make My Win or My Title cheap, I Bred, Raised, Trained and Title my dogs by whooping your piece of crap and pay for it with money I earned, So if you think titles come cheap and easy load that piece of crap up and come on over to Vale NC tonight.

Mr Tim.

i feel many don't understand the ? it wasn't can titled dogs tree coon. it's already common knowledge that most can. most pleasure hunters think there dog can pass the htx easy because it can tree coon after coon. some say they won't hunt a dog that can't tree a coon alone. yeah so what? that wasn't really the ? was it?

i say this enter a htx hunt and tree 3 single coon in the hour and not get a pass. that's right it happens. think about this the more coon a dog trees the more chances for 2 mistakes. now if your dog takes an hr to tree a single coon just maybe it won't make as many mistakes. lol

Tarbaby, coon hunting is fun, dog hunting not so much. I don't know about anyone else's dogs but 80% of mine are fun to hunt. Of course only 20% ever win a comp hunt.

Why don't y'all start a poll that asks, "What % of HTX dogs can win a Gr Nt title"?

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Why don't y'all start a poll that asks, "What % of HTX dogs can win a Gr Nt title"?

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Originally posted by nitehunter2004
Just because some people bring a piece of crap dog to a nite hunt an I bring a coon dog an spank your arse Don’t Make My Win or My Title cheap, I Bred, Raised, Trained and Title my dogs by whooping your piece of crap and pay for it with money I earned, So if you think titles come cheap and easy load that piece of crap up and come on over to Vale NC tonight.

Mr Tim.

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Originally posted by shane_atchison
If you draw several crap dogs and beat their arse at low attendance hunts and earn a title will it mean as much to you or the quility of your dog as if you drew several top dogs at high attendance hunts and titled your dog..

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I didnt mean to offend. I stated titles are easier to obtain. Thats an absolute 100% check the numbers fact. Theres a ton of nice dogs out there and every win is something to be proud of, but wins are easier to get with less competition in any sport..

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Originally posted by shane_atchison
I didnt mean to offend. I stated titles are easier to obtain. Thats an absolute 100% check the numbers fact. Theres a ton of nice dogs out there and every win is something to be proud of, but wins are easier to get with less competition in any sport..

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I titled my last dog out in 16, the 2 Ukc clubs closest to me have went bankrupt and with performance points where they're at and attendance where its at I wont drive far to attend one. Again a win is something to be proud of, do I believe titles won beating far fewer cast than years ago holds the same validation? No.

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Thanks for answering Shane, have a great 4th.

Mr Tim.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Why don't y'all start a poll that asks, "What % of HTX dogs can win a Gr Nt title"?

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Tim

If everyone had your standards for measuring a dog, the number in this question would be 100%. Now, we know that is not the case and that there are many titled dogs that neither of us would own. Titles are not the gold standard by which one can measure a dogs ability. Dave

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Re: Tim

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
If everyone had your standards for measuring a dog, the number in this question would be 100%. Now, we know that is not the case and that there are many titled dogs that neither of us would own. Titles are not the gold standard by which one can measure a dogs ability. Dave

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Any dog that earns a title down here wheather he beats 4 dogs or 400 he earned it. I takes a pretty nice hound to tree coons in this crap and keep his points.



Tar

Now don't get me wrong. I have nothing against HTX titles and they have their place. But Is an HTX title the gold standard? You never have to hunt against another dog to get one of those. I hear all of this talk about "titles" but isn't HTX a "title". p

I’ve seen a lot more dogs that could look like a million $ by themselves, but would look stupid as possible when hunted with other dogs. I have a pit bull mutt mix that could pass a HTX. 3 other dogs includes a lot of dynamic variables.

Contrary to the popular way of thinking, coonhounds were bred as pack animals. Nobody wanted to walk 2 miles in opposite directions, especially without tracking capabilities. Meat was the objective, and competition hunts were originally designed to see which was the best and quickest at finding a track, and then treeing the coon. The hunts came about for guys to see which one of their hounds was the fastest of the pack.

Having said that, I personally DO want one that is independent, and breed for independence, but that’s not how it was originally intended at all. Everything has evolved, including hounds with balanced traits. No need for pack hunting. Independence is feasible now due to tracking units and transportation, and it keeps a dog out of trouble if they are hunting with 3 other idiots.

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Have we really evolved? Is the independant dog that is always deep and alone actually a "better" Coonhound? Or are they just easier to win a comp nite hunt with? How in the world did we get from wanting a dog that was first and first with a coon to one that was deep and alone with a coon. Was this a concious decision on everyone's part? Or was it just some slick marketing ploy developed by someone? Can anyone trace this shift backwards in time and determine just how it came about? Exactly when and why did coonhunters go from wanting a first and first kinda dog to wanting a deep and lonely dog?

Funny

Funny how we can be so different in what you want from a dog. Most of it comes from how and where we hunt.

I won't keep an independent dog. I want mine to pack like dogs are supposed to do. BUT, I'm a pleasure hunter and 99% of the time, my dogs only hunt with other dogs owned by me.

I can't stand having my dogs in 2 or 3 different directions.

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Mr. Al, you hit the nail on the head! It all depends on where and how you hunt. Dave

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Originally posted by SFWALKER
I’ve seen a lot more dogs that could look like a million $ by themselves, but would look stupid as possible when hunted with other dogs. I have a pit bull mutt mix that could pass a HTX.

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