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Originally posted by joey
The auto strike dog they are referring to is not one that opens as soon as it smells a coon. They are talking about a dog that strikes 'automatically'. That's a babbler. You are just talking about a quick strike dog.

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Originally posted by msinc

I still have to wonder though, no matter what you call this dog, if he puts a coon on the end of the track...how was that babbling????

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I think we are still talking about two different dogs...I agree, if he opens in the box and gets lost still barking then 100 yards away has an "honest strike" then yeah, babbling. But, if he opens on the lead because he winds or smells the coon and leaves barking and never quits until he is treed with the coon, you still call that babbling????
Let me ask it another way, four dog cast leaving a tree that was just scored...all the dogs start barking on the leash, so we split the strike points. They are cut and tree 50 yards away with the coon...all four of them were babbling?????? No wonder I aint winning lately.

Strikeing a dog on the babble is just as bad as pitching one in on strike or tree both times you are getting points you don't deserve. I like the little tighter mouth , sneaky type myself by time ole blubber butt shuts up and hears mine it's to late there's a lot of babblers out there now days not many are productive while doing it most just babble and make a slick tree after they wear down a bit lol.

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Originally posted by msinc
I think we are still talking about two different dogs...I agree, if he opens in the box and gets lost still barking then 100 yards away has an "honest strike" then yeah, babbling. But, if he opens on the lead because he winds or smells the coon and leaves barking and never quits until he is treed with the coon, you still call that babbling????
Let me ask it another way, four dog cast leaving a tree that was just scored...all the dogs start barking on the leash, so we split the strike points. They are cut and tree 50 yards away with the coon...all four of them were babbling?????? No wonder I aint winning lately.

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I prefer the automatic babbler myself.

OK. Here's the real definition of both. A babbler is a dog that opens 5 or 6 timed off the lead and the shuts up until it actually smells something and gets struck.

An automatic strike dog is 1 that opens within 30 seconds (whether it be off the chain or 200 yds in) and doesn't shut up for any longer period's of time. It appears to be trailing instead of just barking. You can't prove he's not smelling something and trailing by the rules.

In short, the babbler will get caught and the automatic strike dog will not get caught by the rules.

I had a auto strike dog years ago. Won a good bit with her in pkc and ukc. Hard to beat a dog with first and first on a coon that don't make a lot of mistakes.

Most people are hunting babbling, automatic strike dogs because they are under achievers in the dog training department !!!!!

Back in the day they were both called loose mouth dogs and we stayed away from that kind, but we weren't trying to win money either. We were just coonhunting and trying to have a consistent coonhound. But things change I guess.

If ya can't beat em...... join em. It's hard to beat a dog when you have to tree 3 coons to their 2 just to be even on points.

I don't wanna win that bad !! I don't want to hear all that noise going on while I am pleasure hunting makes me swallow my coffee down the wrong pipe.

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Originally posted by JOSH VAUGHN
OK. Here's the real definition of both. A babbler is a dog that opens 5 or 6 timed off the lead and the shuts up until it actually smells something and gets struck.

An automatic strike dog is 1 that opens within 30 seconds (whether it be off the chain or 200 yds in) and doesn't shut up for any longer period's of time. It appears to be trailing instead of just barking. You can't prove he's not smelling something and trailing by the rules.

In short, the babbler will get caught and the automatic strike dog will not get caught by the rules.

I had a auto strike dog years ago. Won a good bit with her in pkc and ukc. Hard to beat a dog with first and first on a coon that don't make a lot of mistakes.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
I don't wanna win that bad !! I don't want to hear all that noise going on while I am pleasure hunting makes me swallow my coffee down the wrong pipe.

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Originally posted by joey
No difference in what I call them, they are both babblers. One is just harder to minus then the other.

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Call them what you want I despise a dog that barks at nothin. When the day cones I can't win with an honest coondog I'll quit goin. Thats why guys get paid to hunt those barkin idiots nobody in their right mind could do it for fun. Wear ear plugs til the Garmin says treed lol.

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Finding an outstanding hound or babbler?

After reading this thread it is easy to see why it is so difficult to find an outstanding track dog. Most people on here could not see the difference between a babbler and a great hound. The coon population is so high that is hard find a place to hunt where there is not a coon within 200 yards and that is about how far a hound travels in one minute, especially this time of year when sows move all day long. I hate a loose-mouth dog, but I truly love a great track dog that has enough nose and desire to strike a cold track out of the air and run it with their head up and fall treed without ever muzzling the tree. When hunting in January and February in snow it is very easy to tell an outstanding track dog from a babbler. With an outstanding dog there are nights when you hear nothing but the crunch of the snow and your boots
until they strike and are driving. Tracks in the snow don't lie. My opinion is that most hunters have never seen a top track dog and some would call them a babbler because ol' Wonder can't open on it. Another thing about top track dogs is they tree first because they get there first. What are the odds of a babbler always running to a hot coon in a tree before ol' Wonder can get alone and find one?? If you understand what I mean and know of an outstanding line of track dogs then send me a message.

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Originally posted by Kler Kry
After reading this thread it is easy to see why it is so difficult to find an outstanding track dog. Most people on here could not see the difference between a babbler and a great hound. The coon population is so high that is hard find a place to hunt where there is not a coon within 200 yards and that is about how far a hound travels in one minute, especially this time of year when sows move all day long. I hate a loose-mouth dog, but I truly love a great track dog that has enough nose and desire to strike a cold track out of the air and run it with their head up and fall treed without ever muzzling the tree. When hunting in January and February in snow it is very easy to tell an outstanding track dog from a babbler. With an outstanding dog there are nights when you hear nothing but the crunch of the snow and your boots
until they strike and are driving. Tracks in the snow don't lie. My opinion is that most hunters have never seen a top track dog and some would call them a babbler because ol' Wonder can't open on it. Another thing about top track dogs is they tree first because they get there first. What are the odds of a babbler always running to a hot coon in a tree before ol' Wonder can get alone and find one?? If you understand what I mean and know of an outstanding line of track dogs then send me a message.

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Originally posted by JiM
Your comments suggest there is no way to tell whether or not a dog is barking where there is no track. And sometimes, you really can't tell. But any honest coonhunter that has worked with hounds for very long can tell the difference between a dog that is barking because it smells a track from one that is barking at nothing.
In both of your examples above, your questions suggest that judge was unable to tell the difference in which case he has no business carrying a card.

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Originally posted by msinc
Okay, then let me try this one more time....you are hunting your dog, your favorite dog, a single {1} dog and he or she is yours. You just knock out one coon to him, leash him up to lead him away and he starts barking on the leash. You cut him loose and 50 yards later he trees a coon and has the grease. You telling me your dog is a babbler too????? Yes or no???? Now how is he different that the last scenario I posted with the four????? It's a simple question, but I understand you don't want to answer it when there are other dogs involved.....one or more might beat yours to the tree, in which case, if course they are babbling. Sounds like an "honest" coon hunter to me.

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yea one and the same have seen two we road hunt turn them two loose with the other dogs and once they get down the road a little they start barking every breath but the other dog dont say a word 10 mins later the other one opens and the other two are still every breath i dont like it how can you hunt that with other dogs and who would want that in there pen those dogs are crazy the boy that owns them finally broke them it took a while

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Originally posted by joey
An auto strike dog is a auto strike dog every drop, you are talking about a dogs striking a coon off the leash. That isn't going to happen every time. We are talking about a dog that is barking at nothing but gets treed with a coon. The op asked what the difference is and the answer is none.

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Boys don't get confused about open mouth dogs

Just because one opens every breath don't mean it's a blabber or automatic strike dog. I have hunted with many honest strike dogs that barked every breath until treed. Every track was the same cold or hot and they moved it and had coons. I dont like that style but don't confuse open mouth dogs with auto or blabber. Oh first one I seen was directly off gains finisher in 1977. Last one is off Trackman both were in my book coondogs. If they barked they treed a coon you seen 90percent of time! Oh and some actually have noses I had Finley River Dan female that could strike in plowed field nothing else could smell and constantly tree coons that dogs that could tree a coon would be at tree and not be able to smell it. I have seen these things first hand.

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Originally posted by Rip
Oh you know me I agree but being outvoted 3-1 won't get it done so you gotta make more trees with coon in them.

Ain't you ever had them tell you "well you can't minus him he carried it out and never hushed".

I have.

But if I got the card I will minus them if I think they are babbling and they will have to question it if they don't agree.

Bad part is I have one of them that will bark a few times when you first cut him loose with other dogs, and after that he hushes. When he opens again hes struck. By his self he doesn't say a word till he is struck but with others he will let out a couple the first 10 seconds or so.

He used to be a good strike dog but now hes not LOL.

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