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Can anyone on here tell me the difference between an automatic strike dog and a babbler? I see many people on here trying to sell or breed (automatic) strike dog. Lately I have hunted with what seems to be called a automatic strike dogs, to me they are exactly the same as we used to call babblers. In my opinion if people would start breeding honest strike dogs and MORE accurate tree dogs everyone would benefit. Just think in a competition hunt, dogs strike on a actual coon track and when they tree will have a coon at least 85% of the time (nobody is perfect, including me or you). Anybody agree or am I just living in the past?

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They are one and the same.

The win alot of 1 hour hunts if they have a coon when they tree.

Those that win that way are coon dogs but they never, ever shut up.

You could turn them loose down the yellow line of the interstate and they would open every breath.

BUT they would eventually get treed with a coon.

I don't like that, but I know plenty of people that do because they like to "carry that hunnerd with me".

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That's where political correctness has crept into the coonhound world. A babbler is now an automatic strike dog. a lying tree dog is now a slick treeing dog. a mean, fighting dog is now ill. Soften the language, it sounds better.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rip
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No, they arent. A babbler is obvious because it it does the exact same thing every time. It is so obviously loose barking that almost anyone can tell it.
The auto strike dog doesn't make a bark until it hits timber or smells scent. Any scent.
A babbler is easy to tell and easy to minus. An auto strike dog is nearly impossible to minus because it is barking AT something as opposed to barking at nothing.

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So what do you call this type of dog? This dog will usually babble a little bit after being turned loose for about 10 seconds, then gets quiet, cuts off left or right, and within a few seconds is struck. This dog is almost always struck for 100 and usually right at the minute mark or before. This dog is a wide open trailer that will carry the track every time and have a coon (90%+) when it trees. I will also add that if this dog is hunted where there are no coon you will not hear him bark. He may still babble a little right off the chain but won't bark again.

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So what do you call this type of dog? This dog will usually babble a little bit after being turned loose for about 10 seconds, then gets quiet, cuts off left or right, and within a few seconds is struck. This dog is almost always struck for 100 and usually right at the minute mark or before. This dog is a wide open trailer that will carry the track every time and have a coon (90%+) when it trees. I will also add that if this dog is hunted where there are no coon you will not hear him bark. He may still babble a little right off the chain but won't bark again.

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I'd call him a first strike dog.
But in a Super Slam, he's done after the first drop.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rip
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No, they arent. A babbler is obvious because it it does the exact same thing every time. It is so obviously loose barking that almost anyone can tell it.
The auto strike dog doesn't make a bark until it hits timber or smells scent. Any scent.
A babbler is easy to tell and easy to minus. An auto strike dog is nearly impossible to minus because it is barking AT something as opposed to barking at nothing.

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Jim the ones I seen were not barking at anything, they barked from the time they were turned loose until they were put in the truck. I wasn't the judge but they were never minused. They "carried the track out" according the the judge, even though no track was there.

Just because some are trained to wait til they get to the woods to do it doesn't make them any less of a babbler, just makes them impossible to minus LOL.

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The ones you seen could be minused by a 6 year old. Have you ever seen a MOH overturn a babbling call?

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I'd call him a first strike dog.
But in a Super Slam, he's done after the first drop.

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I've heard a lot of old timers talk about big name dogs that would run anything or everything until they come across a coon then fall treed on that coon. Always got first strike and usually first tree. Seemed to have a coon most of the time (from the stories) because they never fell treed until they came across a hot coon. Ive also hunted with dogs that would get 20 yards from you and start opening up every breath, no other dogs showing interest, then either grab a convincing tree or fall in behind another dog treed with a coon. That's what I would consider a babbler. Neither aee my style of dog but I heard some big names in comp hunting and stud dogs associated with these stories. Would those dog be considered an automatic strike dog or trashy? Just for arguments sake...

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I take it you been talking to Bellar.

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I hate a babbler and there is plenty of them and the guys that have them are proud they got them....i have never got a judge to minus one all they will do is start the 8 are the 6 on them and they never get caught......

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So what do you call this type of dog? This dog will usually babble a little bit after being turned loose for about 10 seconds, then gets quiet, cuts off left or right, and within a few seconds is struck. This dog is almost always struck for 100 and usually right at the minute mark or before. This dog is a wide open trailer that will carry the track every time and have a coon (90%+) when it trees. I will also add that if this dog is hunted where there are no coon you will not hear him bark. He may still babble a little right off the chain but won't bark again.

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I hint with a dog some that doesn't babble but he will ooen on the first scent he comes across he almost acts like he is trying to get away from other dogs like that but in any case he is lightning fast no matter what he does he does it faster than most I've scene and will always end up treed so I guess you call him first strike you can't prove what he is doing whether it's 100 yard or 1 mile he will move a track fast and put the tree on it usually with the meat

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I don't hunt any big $ hunts but if someone does why would anybody want to pay money to hunt 1 that didn't strike for 100 every time. the name of the game is money. it's business. if you don't win why play? I can't stand them,i don't want to bred to um, I don't want to hunt 1 or hunt with um.
the only question is if your in business or into quality?

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I would say, look at both Jim and Rip's post. They are both correct. I haven't looked in the dictionary, but I'd say they're not in it. There is no official definition for any of these coon hunting "terms".

It depends on where you are from, meanings for most of these terms can and will vary.

Round here it's the same way. Some will say a dog is automatic when he barks as soon as you cut him and some will say a dog is automatic because he will bark as soon as he smells anything possum, dog, groundhog, bird, don't matter. Either way they are usually lying when they 1st start opening.

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They are definitely NOT "one and the same"....here is the difference, in it's simplest form: a babbler will open every time he is cut loose, most of the time he is barking on the lead. A real strike dog opens when he smells a coon which many times might be on the lead.
How to tell is simple too...the automatic strike dog will run a track and put a coon on the end of it. At first he might look like a babbler, but that is the difference...he puts grease at the end of the trail.
A babbler on the other hand rarely shows the meat, and when he does 9 times out of 10 some other dog did the work for him.
Take a babbler to a tennis court and cut him loose he will still open because he opens on nothing to start with. Same spot with a real strike dog and he will not.
The sad thing is that most real honest first strike dogs get the same scratching as the babblers because the rest of the cast cant deal with the competition.
I really think that when someone is selling a dog they use that term to describe the fact that the dog just goes hunting and gets struck instead of doing "other things" when cut loose.

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They are definitely NOT "one and the same"....here is the difference, in it's simplest form: a babbler will open every time he is cut loose, most of the time he is barking on the lead. A real strike dog opens when he smells a coon which many times might be on the lead.
How to tell is simple too...the automatic strike dog will run a track and put a coon on the end of it. At first he might look like a babbler, but that is the difference...he puts grease at the end of the trail.
A babbler on the other hand rarely shows the meat, and when he does 9 times out of 10 some other dog did the work for him.
Take a babbler to a tennis court and cut him loose he will still open because he opens on nothing to start with. Same spot with a real strike dog and he will not.
The sad thing is that most real honest first strike dogs get the same scratching as the babblers because the rest of the cast cant deal with the competition.
I really think that when someone is selling a dog they use that term to describe the fact that the dog just goes hunting and gets struck instead of doing "other things" when cut loose.

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They are definitely NOT "one and the same"....here is the difference, in it's simplest form: a babbler will open every time he is cut loose, most of the time he is barking on the lead. A real strike dog opens when he smells a coon which many times might be on the lead.
How to tell is simple too...the automatic strike dog will run a track and put a coon on the end of it. At first he might look like a babbler, but that is the difference...he puts grease at the end of the trail.
A babbler on the other hand rarely shows the meat, and when he does 9 times out of 10 some other dog did the work for him.
Take a babbler to a tennis court and cut him loose he will still open because he opens on nothing to start with. Same spot with a real strike dog and he will not.
The sad thing is that most real honest first strike dogs get the same scratching as the babblers because the rest of the cast cant deal with the competition.
I really think that when someone is selling a dog they use that term to describe the fact that the dog just goes hunting and gets struck instead of doing "other things" when cut loose.

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What? Treeing a coon does not make a difference in a babbler and an auto strike dog. So if it leaves you barking and there is no track but it trees a coon it's not a babbler? It's just a different terminology, they think auto strike sounds better than babbler. That's all.

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The auto strike dog they are referring to is not one that opens as soon as it smells a coon. They are talking about a dog that strikes 'automatically'. That's a babbler. You are just talking about a quick strike dog.

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Yep, your defination is for sure different from mine.

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So what do you call this type of dog? This dog will usually babble a little bit after being turned loose for about 10 seconds, then gets quiet, cuts off left or right, and within a few seconds is struck. This dog is almost always struck for 100 and usually right at the minute mark or before. This dog is a wide open trailer that will carry the track every time and have a coon (90%+) when it trees. I will also add that if this dog is hunted where there are no coon you will not hear him bark. He may still babble a little right off the chain but won't bark again.

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