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Posted by RLenhart on 02-12-2016 03:51 PM:

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Originally posted by fox_91
Must be why I've been barred for standing up and using the rules correctly.

LMAO I have a pretty good Idea how a person like you would get themselves barred. It certainly wouldn't be for using the rules correctly.

Posted by fox_91 on 02-12-2016 04:02 PM:

Lol ok, not my fault I know the rules and how to use them, and others don't and they get "cheated" because they didn't know a rule. I'm bowing out of this. You guys have a good day. Maybe we'll draw out together one time

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Posted by morgan branch on 02-12-2016 06:22 PM:

Rlenhart nicely spoken he apparently did not read the last paragraph of my rant lol!!! It can be the arrogence of some that make it unenjoyable for others. I agree I do not have a prob with the money hunts I have hunted in the other registries as well as ukc and applaud ukc for coming up with a way to accomodate all involved those that chose to hunt for money and those that do not. I just took offense to the statement of how the money hunts draw better dogs and hunters,which is not always the case. I guess they would have to consider me a boy some nights and a man the others lol I just enjoy coonhunting, meeting new friends sometimes meeting some I don't care to have as a friend, and seeing a good dog go no matter what the registry but get real tired of the opinions of some that their way is the only way.

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Posted by novicane65 on 02-12-2016 10:20 PM:

If I remember correctly UKC staff asked us on the board a question. That question was
What will bring back all the grntch dogs to our local hunts and bigger hunts?This was their answer was the slam series.

Am I way off base by that?

Posted by RLenhart on 02-12-2016 10:52 PM:

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Originally posted by novicane65
If I remember correctly UKC staff asked us on the board a question. That question was
What will bring back all the grntch dogs to our local hunts and bigger hunts?This was their answer was the slam series.

Am I way off base by that?

Nope I'd say that's about right. Don't mistake anything I've said in this conversation as I'm against them either. I think they're a great Idea but the original post stated an interest in UKC getting away from the old slip hunts and going more money hunt. I think there is still a following for the old "slip" hunts just the way they are to but UKC is doing a great job of offering both venues IMO.

Posted by Josh Michaelis on 02-13-2016 02:38 AM:

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Originally posted by RLenhart
Nope I'd say that's about right. Don't mistake anything I've said in this conversation as I'm against them either. I think they're a great Idea but the original post stated an interest in UKC getting away from the old slip hunts and going more money hunt. I think there is still a following for the old "slip" hunts just the way they are to but UKC is doing a great job of offering both venues IMO.

A fantastic job.

Both hunts cater too a certain crowd, and the rules are made for each. I was impressed with the rule changes and am looking forward to hunting the super slams.

As far as little money hunts...there are plenty of those already

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Posted by Robert Johnson on 02-15-2016 01:31 PM:

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Just seen more bickering and useless arguments at UKC. Must be why I've been barred for standing up and using the rules correctly.

Now I question the legitability of your statement. I do not believe that anyone was barred for using a rule correctly. You may have been right on the rule in question, but my guess is you were wrong in how you acted, and that done you in. Yep.....misconduct can do it to you.

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Posted by novicane65 on 02-16-2016 02:11 PM:

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Originally posted by RLenhart
Nope I'd say that's about right. Don't mistake anything I've said in this conversation as I'm against them either. I think they're a great Idea but the original post stated an interest in UKC getting away from the old slip hunts and going more money hunt. I think there is still a following for the old "slip" hunts just the way they are to but UKC is doing a great job of offering both venues IMO.

Okay, so my question regarding this is

Has the slam series brought any of the GRNTCH dogs back to UKC hunts?

I doubt it. And the reason I doubt it is the entry fee for the hunts is higher than most people want to pay to hunt. If they were really looking for the grands to come back they need to come up with a new title past grand. Make it a lot harder to get than the current setup. I'm not saying that I dislike the current setup. It should be harder to get the title than it is now. In $KC you have CH (500), Silver CH(4k), Gold CH (10K), Platinum CH (20K)[for those that don't know]. So for the most part, You can hunt endlessly with $kc and never get the top title. But the titles in UKC are easier to obtain. If they had a similar setup with a $ amount to the title it would be harder to obtain the title. I personally think UKC should try and come up with a system that keeps the dogs involved longer. Not too many dogs in $KC are at the PCH status. And far fewer that are under 5. I like both programs but I prefer $KC over UKC for the fact that I have a goal / something I'm trying to obtain that I mostly never will. The dog I own now has never been in a UKC hunt to date. But that will change this spring. She ain't perfect but she's consistent.

Posted by RLenhart on 02-16-2016 03:45 PM:

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Originally posted by novicane65
Okay, so my question regarding this is

Has the slam series brought any of the GRNTCH dogs back to UKC hunts?

I doubt it. And the reason I doubt it is the entry fee for the hunts is higher than most people want to pay to hunt. If they were really looking for the grands to come back they need to come up with a new title past grand. Make it a lot harder to get than the current setup. I'm not saying that I dislike the current setup. It should be harder to get the title than it is now. In $KC you have CH (500), Silver CH(4k), Gold CH (10K), Platinum CH (20K)[for those that don't know]. So for the most part, You can hunt endlessly with $kc and never get the top title. But the titles in UKC are easier to obtain. If they had a similar setup with a $ amount to the title it would be harder to obtain the title. I personally think UKC should try and come up with a system that keeps the dogs involved longer. Not too many dogs in $KC are at the PCH status. And far fewer that are under 5. I like both programs but I prefer $KC over UKC for the fact that I have a goal / something I'm trying to obtain that I mostly never will. The dog I own now has never been in a UKC hunt to date. But that will change this spring. She ain't perfect but she's consistent.

Ok I'm almost afraid to start this ball rolling because these conversations always end in bickering LOL BUT I can't help thinking of a thread Todd started himself late last year. He wanted to know what everybody thought of a system where Grands kept on hunting against other Grands and NITECHs and you would just keep earning higher degrees X1, X2 ext. Everybody with grands seamed to think that was a terrible idea and the biggest gripe I remember hearing was "why should my grand have to keep hunting against NITECHs when he already proved he could beat them". Now isn't that exactly what you do in PKC? Don't you get CHs hunting against Silver CHs and Platinum CHs? Personally I don't think anything UKC does will make guys that are fans of PKC happy unless they become exactly like PKC and I don't say that with quarrelsome intent but it's just how I feel. Personally I had thought that he had a pretty good idea at the time. The system he was suggesting would have given guys (like myself) that really do enjoy hunting the local hunts something to hunt for after granding a dog out. Would it have appealed to everybody? "no it wouldn't have" but I think it would have appealed to just enough to get some grands back in the game at the local hunts IMO.

Posted by GA DAWG on 02-16-2016 04:26 PM:

I like the idea of hunting them all together. Just have wins. Still take same amount of wins. Hunt them all under ch rules. A dog shouldnt be excused for messing with off game anyhow. That'd prolly keep a few grntchs coming back. If they worth much though. They will be at a money hunt

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Posted by joey on 02-16-2016 04:31 PM:

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Originally posted by novicane65
Okay, so my question regarding this is

Has the slam series brought any of the GRNTCH dogs back to UKC hunts?

No they did not, there were suggestions made that would have helped and they might still be working on them I don't know? To get the numbers of GNCH back it has to be a format that gets people back to the local hunts. A state race or being able to hunt for performance money. They were given ways to make those work but I don't know if they listened or not. The slam hunts are a good deal but not the answer to getting the grands back in the hunts. I'm not sure that was even there intentions.

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Posted by joey on 02-16-2016 04:33 PM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
I like the idea of hunting them all together. Just have wins. Still take same amount of wins. Hunt them all under ch rules. A dog shouldnt be excused for messing with off game anyhow. That'd prolly keep a few grntchs coming back. If they worth much though. They will be at a money hunt

That was one of my suggestions but leave the registered dogs alone. Let the grands and nite ch hunt together for performance money and I would come back. A state race for cast wins would be real nice.

Posted by GA DAWG on 02-16-2016 04:38 PM:

Put em all together and run em for a state race. That would get some there I think. IF some big dogbox or 8' tall trophy was involved at the end lol. I hear it all the time how most all ntch dogs and grntchs are crap and people dont see how they made it. SOOOOOO nobody should be worried about hunting reg dogs with em.

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Posted by novicane65 on 02-16-2016 05:18 PM:

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Originally posted by RLenhart
Ok I'm almost afraid to start this ball rolling because these conversations always end in bickering LOL BUT I can't help thinking of a thread Todd started himself late last year. He wanted to know what everybody thought of a system where Grands kept on hunting against other Grands and NITECHs and you would just keep earning higher degrees X1, X2 ext. Everybody with grands seamed to think that was a terrible idea and the biggest gripe I remember hearing was "why should my grand have to keep hunting against NITECHs when he already proved he could beat them". Now isn't that exactly what you do in PKC? Don't you get CHs hunting against Silver CHs and Platinum CHs? Personally I don't think anything UKC does will make guys that are fans of PKC happy unless they become exactly like PKC and I don't say that with quarrelsome intent but it's just how I feel. Personally I had thought that he had a pretty good idea at the time. The system he was suggesting would have given guys (like myself) that really do enjoy hunting the local hunts something to hunt for after granding a dog out. Would it have appealed to everybody? "no it wouldn't have" but I think it would have appealed to just enough to get some grands back in the game at the local hunts IMO.

I do remember that thread. I was for it as well. I like both registries too. But I wish there was more to it for UKC. I'd like to keep hunting the dog after it grands out but not much sense to it.

Posted by RLenhart on 02-16-2016 05:23 PM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Put em all together and run em for a state race. That would get some there I think. IF some big dogbox or 8' tall trophy was involved at the end lol. I hear it all the time how most all ntch dogs and grntchs are crap and people dont see how they made it. SOOOOOO nobody should be worried about hunting reg dogs with em.

Helll yah I'd be all for it except for the 8' trophy.

Posted by novicane65 on 02-16-2016 05:25 PM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Put em all together and run em for a state race. That would get some there I think. IF some big dogbox or 8' tall trophy was involved at the end lol. I hear it all the time how most all ntch dogs and grntchs are crap and people dont see how they made it. SOOOOOO nobody should be worried about hunting reg dogs with em.

I like this idea too. You won't ever please everyone. I'm pretty new to competition hunts in either venue. But I do believe that in $KC all dogs draw out together unless it's a CH hunt. In which case they have to be a CH to even enter. And the entry fee is usually higher. But not $250.

Posted by novicane65 on 02-16-2016 05:30 PM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
I like the idea of hunting them all together. Just have wins. Still take same amount of wins. Hunt them all under ch rules. A dog shouldnt be excused for messing with off game anyhow. That'd prolly keep a few grntchs coming back. If they worth much though. They will be at a money hunt

And I know you're not lying by saying this. But How many wins should it take for your dog to be a NtCh or GrNtCh? If you figure it up to the $KC equivalent it would be close to 5-10 wins for NtCh in the local hunts around here. And Grand should be 15 after that.

Posted by Bolden1 on 02-16-2016 07:04 PM:

Ukc

I love it the way it is. They have money hunts and your old way. The world hunt is what confuses me. $100 entry plus the $30 for rqe. Just don't understand that but I can live with it.

But here's my problem with slam hunts, why split it. I plan on hitting one or two we will see how it goes
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Posted by joey on 02-16-2016 07:06 PM:

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And I know you're not lying by saying this. But How many wins should it take for your dog to be a NtCh or GrNtCh? If you figure it up to the $KC equivalent it would be close to 5-10 wins for NtCh in the local hunts around here. And Grand should be 15 after that.

Are you comparing ntch and Gnch to PKC ch and silver ch? If so it would be between 7 to 10 to make ch and 50 to 70 to make silver ch. Thats cast wins at local hunts. It normally takes 5 hunts to finish to Ntch and 12 to 15 to make Grnch. Thats with a decent dog. A good one will finish to grand faster.

Posted by MountainRed on 02-16-2016 07:28 PM:

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Men hunt for money, little boys hunt for win slips and a pat on the back.

This must be the same boy on the Prohound. Has the same signature. And has a whopping $200 won in handler earning ! LMAO I'm not a big ukc man but i don't think you've earned the right to call ukc hunters out bud! I don't think anything to do with rules got you barred either son!!

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Posted by chuck west on 02-16-2016 07:35 PM:

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This must be the same boy on the Prohound. Has the same signature. And has a whopping $200 won in handler earning ! LMAO I'm not a big ukc man but i don't think you've earned the right to call ukc hunters out bud! I don't think anything to do with rules got you barred either son!!

Don't worry MountainRed , he's nothing more than an internet tough guy trying to stir up the guys .

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Posted by yadkintar on 02-16-2016 08:05 PM:

Fox 91 I will come at you just as hard for a win slip as I will for money when I pay my entry I ain't there to play but if you beat me I will shake your hand no matter if it's a win slip or money for some of us it's for the love of the sport !!

Posted by Todd K / UKC on 02-16-2016 08:32 PM:

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Originally posted by RLenhart
Ok I'm almost afraid to start this ball rolling because these conversations always end in bickering LOL BUT I can't help thinking of a thread Todd started himself late last year. He wanted to know what everybody thought of a system where Grands kept on hunting against other Grands and NITECHs and you would just keep earning higher degrees X1, X2 ext.

I still like that idea!!

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Posted by yadkintar on 02-16-2016 09:06 PM:

Todd what about this idea say you have grands start hunting at the beginning of the year the more dogs they hunt against when they get their wins the more points they accumulate take the top 36 high point dogs at the end of the year have a big hunt for all the marbles keep the point system simple they go to a hunt hunt against 1 dog and win 1 point they hunt against 20 Grntchs 20 points call it the ???? Grand invitational have a big prize package put together off of the entry's play by plays I would be very interested I think a lot of other folks would be too !!

Posted by GA DAWG on 02-16-2016 09:15 PM:

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Originally posted by novicane65
And I know you're not lying by saying this. But How many wins should it take for your dog to be a NtCh or GrNtCh? If you figure it up to the $KC equivalent it would be close to 5-10 wins for NtCh in the local hunts around here. And Grand should be 15 after that.

Still 8 wins. Cause despite what folks say. Its gonna be a little tougher to make ntch and grntchs then. Plus on average 7 or 8 makes you a pkc ch so thats about the same.

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