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Posted by Dogwhisper on 12-06-2013 07:54 PM:

Here u go judge or whoever else cares to. Hit the controll buttons.
U will see it is as it shows on the screen "tracking only".

Posted by john Duemmer on 12-06-2013 08:03 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Dogwhisper
Here u go judge or whoever else cares to. Hit the controll buttons.
U will see it is as it shows on the screen "tracking only".

Im not farmiliar with the Alpha and i would bet the vast majority of guys judgeing casts arent either, Would checking the unit require going through the entire dog list to verify that every collar entered into the unit was set to track only?

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Posted by Dogwhisper on 12-06-2013 08:21 PM:

Technically yes.
Suspend/barr me for my stupidity,if I try to compete w/such a collar not disable.At that point I m busted!

Posted by ole hoss on 12-06-2013 09:41 PM:

so let me get this right all handlers can use their 220s or 320s the entire hunt?

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Posted by travis gideon on 12-06-2013 11:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ole hoss
so let me get this right all handlers can use their 220s or 320s the entire hunt?

Right!!!

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Posted by nickhagerman on 12-07-2013 12:31 AM:

1)So you are aloud to stand there and look
At the garmin during the hunt?
2)if you tree your dog then it shows the dog
Is moving then goes back treed would they
Be minused?

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Posted by B Thompson on 12-07-2013 01:15 AM:

1. Yes

2. No they can not be used to score a dog in any way

Posted by Dealer on 12-07-2013 02:46 AM:

For those of us who judge 99% of the time, it puts us at more of a disadvantage: we have to listen to 3 other dogs, call our own dog, run a stopwatch (usually on multiple dogs), keep scores, judge the cast, try not to lose your pencil, and now we have to do all that while watching our garmin. Not sure I have enough hands for all that. I like being able to use a garmin, I just don't see how those who judge can get it all done? I'm not mad or upset, just making a point.

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Posted by ole hoss on 12-07-2013 03:01 AM:

And is thid new rule already in effect?

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Posted by travis gideon on 12-07-2013 01:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ole hoss
And is thid new rule already in effect?

1/1/14

Posted by ole hoss on 12-07-2013 02:53 PM:

Thanks for your help travis.

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Posted by Swamp Hunter on 12-07-2013 06:25 PM:

So being that you can use tracking systems during the hunt, can one sit there with a beep beep tracking system and wave it around making noise? If they can it would be extremely aggravating, but if they can't doesn't it give that person a disadvantage?

Posted by Tim MACHA on 12-07-2013 06:32 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Swamp Hunter
So being that you can use tracking systems during the hunt, can one sit there with a beep beep tracking system and wave it around making noise? If they can it would be extremely aggravating, but if they can't doesn't it give that person a disadvantage?

Yes you can, but the noise is not too keep others from listening for their dogs.

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Posted by Dogwhisper on 12-07-2013 06:42 PM:

Turn the volume down. Hello!

Posted by Swamp Hunter on 12-07-2013 09:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Dogwhisper
Turn the volume down. Hello!

Ok if the person has to turn the volume down on a beep beep, do the people using the garmin have to turn their volume down when it gives that annoying "Dog has treed quarry" beep? I know the garmin beep doesn't seem that loud, but when you've got four units doing it every 10 seconds it can become pretty annoying.

Another question, is there some kind of penalty if other handlers in the cast are caught tracking dogs other than their own? I know you can block this from happening on the new garmins, but the older ones do not have that capability.

Posted by Will Walker on 12-07-2013 11:51 PM:

i wouldnt even feel right with a garmin powered on during a hunt.

Posted by travis gideon on 12-08-2013 12:33 AM:

I judge most every time I go to a hunt, let someone tree a dog after a beep on one of these units or tell me something happened on their Garmin that doesn't agree with a ruling I make! It'll happen.....

Posted by ole hoss on 12-08-2013 01:18 AM:

You cant call a dog treed with a garmin any way. My garmin shows my dog treed alot of times when i know he aint. If i struck him treed every time the garmin said he was id be 400 minus in no time.

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Posted by jculler8 on 12-08-2013 01:27 AM:

With the way dogs are trained to hunt these days, Garmins in the hunts will do nothing but help the hunts go much smoother.

Its getting to the point with 4 dog casts anymore aren't any fun because too many dogs split and running all over the place. This will help casts head to dogs that cannot be heard and it will also help in finding the easiest route to split treed dogs.

Most importantly it will help with dogs that are in danger or potentially in danger.

We have been using our Garmins in our club buddy hunts since Garmins were legal with UKC rules. The hunts are competitive and the Garmins have done nothing but helped the casts run smoothly. It has also been OK to use a Garmin in the HTX hunts without issue.

The object of the game is for a cast to tree as many coon as possible in a period of 2 hours. If a Garmin helps a cast do this, I am in favor.

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Posted by Tim MACHA on 12-08-2013 03:37 AM:

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Originally posted by travis gideon
I judge most every time I go to a hunt, let someone tree a dog after a beep on one of these units or tell me something happened on their Garmin that doesn't agree with a ruling I make! It'll happen.....

The judge has to hear the dog before he can take the call. The Garmin cannot be used to make a case for questioning a judge's call.

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Posted by Darrell Eads on 12-08-2013 05:10 AM:

This is funny stuff

a discussion about trust honesty integrity all over Modern day equipment , JMO Carry what ever you want leave it in your pocket turned off for 2 hours , If you get busted with it out looking at it .. your scratched , but we cant do that because no one trust anybody , cheaters , crooks people with in fearer Dogs trying to pull crap , , I don't see the big deal , 4 Men competing , need to act like men leave your ears open and call your dog good or bad

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Posted by IBowles on 12-08-2013 02:14 PM:

Re: This is funny stuff

quote:
Originally posted by Darrell Eads
a discussion about trust honesty integrity all over Modern day equipment , JMO Carry what ever you want leave it in your pocket turned off for 2 hours , If you get busted with it out looking at it .. your scratched , but we cant do that because no one trust anybody , cheaters , crooks people with in fearer Dogs trying to pull crap , , I don't see the big deal , 4 Men competing , need to act like men leave your ears open and call your dog good or bad

I agree 100% Darrell

Posted by travis gideon on 12-08-2013 02:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tim MACHA
The judge has to hear the dog before he can take the call. The Garmin cannot be used to make a case for questioning a judge's call.

I am fully aware of the rules but you know some DUMB S_ _T is gonna happen, that's my point.

Posted by JiM on 12-08-2013 03:25 PM:

And it's a very good point. Look at the routine use of the timeout rule, certainly not as intended by the rules. And what about the old rule on scoring dogs out of order? Again, routinely ignored on most casts. You really think these casts in the future will not be scoring dogs and following them with Garmin?

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Posted by Paint Creek English on 12-08-2013 03:34 PM:

Went way overboard on this rule.what would be wrong with everyone carrying their tracking device of any type in off mode?Only to be used in time out.

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