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I hunt in wisconsin every year. Where we hunt is west central wisconsin close to the minnesota line. Folks would think again if you thought that there was no rough stuff there. We hunt ridges and bluffs just like here in virginia. the timber is a little different and they have plenty of corn and beans and more coon but as far as terrain, it's just like home. Some of the briar thickets mixed in with all of the dead birch trees that have fallen makes it almost impossible to get through. Our dogs do just fine up there.

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Thin coon! I've never hunted up north in coon population like some people claim to have but down here in Texas, just like Louisiana, there are plenty of coon to tree. I've never done a study but on about 100 acres in Waco Texas there are usually 4-6 coon. That may not sound like a lot but we have a lot of open country with big creek down the middle. Living on this ranch (Down South) it not a thin coon problem it's a when do you hunt problem. September is still summer time and just because it gets dark at 8:00 doesn't always mean the coon are moving. Some times they get down before dark to get a drink then go back up and wait for awhile for the night to cool off before they feed. Hence no tracks anywhere to run. After midnight they are generally all out and lots of coon to tree. We have a bunch of food so they don't have to forage very much or far. The coon here are small (about 5-15pounds) and fat. They don't run very far either. A couple of hundred yards tops. Only in dead winter when they are breeding you might have a runner. Last night the coon just weren't down yet. During the overtime (later that night) they had turned loose on several coon it sounded like. Hope this clarifies north and hunting deep south.

I doubt most of us have a very accurate idea of the real coon populations where we hunt. I bet the real numbers far exceed anything we would have imagined.
I talked to a local logging crew that recently logged out a 22 acre woods. I hunted this woods for 50 years. It always had plenty of coons but....... These loggers cut the crap out of this woods, mostly for pallet lumber, den trees and all. They killed 36 coons running out of felled den trees. We still tree coons in there purty much as we always did except it is a whole bunch rougher to hunt now. 36 coons gone and when you drop in there now, you strike a coon about the same as we always have in there for the last 50 years.

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I can pretty much tell you we don't have 36 coon in any 22 ac around here lol.

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Ive hunted in both north and south with both north n south dogs and to me neither is better then the other it just all depends on what a dog is used too ...its just like me being from iowa minnesota line when i went to my cousins in Florida last fall i thought it was perfect out wearing a tee shirt n everyone down there had sweatshirts n coats on n said it was cold just i was used to diffrent areas

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Who cares what part of the country it's in. Just bring a coondog that's ready to compete and have it later when the leaves are off or close to be all off. No might be could be there crap. either they don't or they do. So what if the world may have to wait a little longer to have it down south i could care less when it was as long as you can see the whole tree and you can say he's there or it's not. JMO

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"Whatever works for you"

I was born and raised in MI, and now live in southern AR. I've seen the best of the best and the worst of the worst of hunting territories. I've saw dogs from the south come up and hunt, and dogs from the north go south and hunt. It all comes down to one question. What are you packin? A true coon dog is a coon dog anywhere.

Look at the top 2 dogs at the world. Both from the north. Not saying dogs from the north are better, but if they are coon dogs, they can win anywhere.

I like the way UKC moves the World hunt around. It means not one kind of dog will win every year. Its best to see the total package in a hound. I don't want to see a treeing contest every year. You never heard the final 4 say that the hunting wasn't good enough. Sure it was tough, but the handlers and dogs were too.

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I doubt most of us have a very accurate idea of the real coon populations where we hunt. I bet the real numbers far exceed anything we would have imagined.
I talked to a local logging crew that recently logged out a 22 acre woods. I hunted this woods for 50 years. It always had plenty of coons but....... These loggers cut the crap out of this woods, mostly for pallet lumber, den trees and all. They killed 36 coons running out of felled den trees. We still tree coons in there purty much as we always did except it is a whole bunch rougher to hunt now. 36 coons gone and when you drop in there now, you strike a coon about the same as we always have in there for the last 50 years.

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Originally posted by groworg1
not all of us up north live in thick coons and when january comes around and its zero with the wind blowing 20 mph you ain't treeing crap with any dog i don't care how good he is your just going to get lots of fresh air and a den or two !

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Originally posted by micooner
I think those "thin coon" guys are just more sociable, They turn ol' spot loose an blue loose then sit around an bs for awhile, maybe even start a fire for an hour or so waiting and waiting and......there he goes he's treed,,,,over yonder JMHO

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Originally posted by Night Shift
I second that people from south should spend some time up here in Jan & Feb that's what makes a dog in the north.

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Guys, it's here nor there for me, but for the last 42 yrs my Dad and uncle go to southern Indiana to open coon season there. I've been going the last this will be 12 yrs. Why? To go hunt where we can tree more than 1 a night and not be gutted. We go up there every year BECAUSE there's morre coon. It's easier ground to hunt and we can hunt all night and tree 7 or 8 before we call it a night. I love hunting up there, my Dad had a mini stroke in April and can't hunt these hills like he used to, but he can walk you to death in them patch woods and corn fields!! Be glad you have 'em, guys, it's okay to have an abundant coon population, really!! I love hunting up there, it's ALOT easier than these mountains and we tree more coon.

I think the idea is to have a dog that will go as far as needed to tree one but not pass by a bunch on the way. I have hunted dogs that i don't think even slowed down to smell in the 1st quarter mile. And some that could have used a bit more hunt in them. The balance is somewhere in the middle. I used to be one off those guys that would drive up to a spot, unleash the dog and not expect to see him again unless it was under a tree. I kinda like going home to sleep nowadays.

OK..I have read on here about dogs from LA that were hunted up in...Iowa I think it was. And they didn't do well. OK..I'm curious. What was it about them that fell short? Was it depth of hunting drive, lack of nose to work a track or what? I used to hunt with a dog that was pretty tough in his home woods but didn't travel well...not sure why. But he was a completely different dog if you drove over about 100 miles. Didn't keep him from making Gr. Nite Ch. but may have kept him from doing better in big hunts. I'm not trying to start an argument..just wondering. I can't seem to find the thread the statement was made in so am trying here.

coon in the south.

There is a few coon in the south. This pic was taken last year on a game camera that was infront of some corn that I had for the deer. Lets just say the deer didnt get much. This is in northeast texas. Prob about 2hours from shreveport.

i have hunted north and south over the years and was born and raised in NC. I now live in georgia, south ga at that. land of swamps, big blocks of woods and gators. I have hunted in Va, Ky, In, Oh,SC, Tn, NC and Ga. The biggest difference i have seen is that up north the races didn't seem to last as long before coon climbed. lot had to do with patch hunting and clear woods where dogs forced coon to climb or be caught on ground. In Va, the hunting was good but the hills worked on the dogs and coon population was pretty fair. NC good hunting for the most part. Tn HILLS LOL.
SC good hunting with some thick woods. South ga, coons will flat out run. Takes a good track dog and at times a go yonder to get under a coon type coon dog. Its not a North or south deal, its a coon dog deal. Give a dog time to adjust to the hunting and a real coon dog will tree you coons anywhere. some dogs adjust faster than others. We are coon hunters, lets stop fighting over nothing and enjoy the sport. Im pushing 30 yrs in this game and have enjoyed meeting people hunting some nice dogs and culling plenty of duds. Happy hunting no matter where you from.

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i have hunted north and south over the years and was born and raised in NC. I now live in georgia, south ga at that. land of swamps, big blocks of woods and gators. I have hunted in Va, Ky, In, Oh,SC, Tn, NC and Ga. The biggest difference i have seen is that up north the races didn't seem to last as long before coon climbed. lot had to do with patch hunting and clear woods where dogs forced coon to climb or be caught on ground. In Va, the hunting was good but the hills worked on the dogs and coon population was pretty fair. NC good hunting for the most part. Tn HILLS LOL.
SC good hunting with some thick woods. South ga, coons will flat out run. Takes a good track dog and at times a go yonder to get under a coon type coon dog. Its not a North or south deal, its a coon dog deal. Give a dog time to adjust to the hunting and a real coon dog will tree you coons anywhere. some dogs adjust faster than others. We are coon hunters, lets stop fighting over nothing and enjoy the sport. Im pushing 30 yrs in this game and have enjoyed meeting people hunting some nice dogs and culling plenty of duds. Happy hunting no matter where you from.

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Originally posted by Oak Ridge
Thank you for that explanation, and what I get from that is the biggest difference is really about how far the tracks go before going "up".

I can buy that argument if we were proving the better "track dog". But by and large what I've read on here was "a dog should have to go hunting to find a track". And IF you can find a track in two hours to run, you had the better dog.....that is the question that I have. If all things are equal, and all four dogs go hunting, why is the dog that finds the one track available make that dog better than the rest?

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I would love to carry on this conversation.....

So I got on Google Earth and captured a screen shot of a little place I spend a lot of time hunting my dogs.....




Now, if you think all of the "north" is little patch woods, better think again. Sure, you can tree a coon along the woods, and if you are lucky enough to find one of the few scattered corn patches you will find a coon along those too....for a couple of nights into our kill season....after that, you better have one that will get in there and get deep!

You also better not be afraid of a few green briars, a swamp or two, and a thicket here and there cause you will find em all here too. Oh, and just because it looks flat...you better be ready to do some climbing too.....

Thankfully we don't have to watch for snakes too much, but there are a few scattered timber rattlers in this area, but I've only seen two over the past 40 years. And we don't have gators or dillers either!

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Here are a couple of places that I know that some world hunt finalists, and at least two Super Stakes winners spend a whole lot of time in.....






Your dog better "go hunting" in these spots..... I promise you. If you have a dog that will go find a coon, run in rough country you can still tree 4 or more coon in two hours here pretty easy!

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How do capture screen shots off there?

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How do capture screen shots off there?

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One of the biggest differences I have seen is. In the real south, we have alot of under growth that the north doesnt have. This makes tracking more difficult as a coon can slip on through and a dog cant. It also gives coons the ability to travel up off the ground in some places. After last years mild winter and another dry winter and summer, it is terrible this year. Some dogs from the north might take a while to figure it out, but coondogs from the north usually have it figured out with in an hour or so. Also, we have live oaks and spanish moss to go with the grape vines and bamboo when you do get ricky treed.

JMO

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went hunting the orther morning.start a track 2 dogs bluetick and a redbone.they hit a tree than moved on come right by me.they wnet by a kitten coonabout 5 feet of the gound..hit another tree moved on again seen a kitten coon in that area.than they treed real hard for about 5 minutes.than shut up haerd them about a half mile upthe creek.said to my self when they tree this one it will be in a hole or den.i was right they treedd in a rock pile so i got down there and moved rocks i had to see this coon .there it was pantin hard from running.figure it was a sow puting up her babies and moveing on .i was kind of mad about them going by all those coon .but then thought they took the track from start to finish.that took about 1hour and 20 minutes.i was pretty happy after all said and done.

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Originally posted by Slough
One of the biggest differences I have seen is. In the real south, we have alot of under growth that the north doesnt have. This makes tracking more difficult as a coon can slip on through and a dog cant. It also gives coons the ability to travel up off the ground in some places. After last years mild winter and another dry winter and summer, it is terrible this year. Some dogs from the north might take a while to figure it out, but coondogs from the north usually have it figured out with in an hour or so. Also, we have live oaks and spanish moss to go with the grape vines and bamboo when you do get ricky treed.

JMO

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Originally posted by micooner
Don't you have some of that undergrowth called kudzoo {sp} or something i heard about that sounds like that?

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