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UKC said they made a mistake in regards to the word "trailing/opening". It should not say that. Call UKC and ask if you don't believe me.

Think about it. How can the 8 be applied when a dog is treeing? IT CAN'T!

Turn youre dog to the dog(s) loose (weather they are barking or not or walk it into the treed dogs tree)

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Originally posted by gfults
The rules say the dog can be released into dogs that are opening on trail. Opening on trail means barking.

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Originally posted by treberta
UKC said they made a mistake in regards to the word "trailing/opening". It should not say that. Call UKC and ask if you don't believe me.

Think about it. How can the 8 be applied when a dog is treeing? IT CAN'T!

Turn youre dog to the dog(s) loose (weather they are barking or not or walk it into the treed dogs tree)

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if no dog is declared treed yes 8 is applied

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Originally posted by xforce6
actually read the rule again it states triling not opening on trail. and i have called UKC they said that you may recast your dog if another dog is treed as long as there is another dog at large or not handled whether opening on trail or loose looking for a trail

treberta is correct

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NO SIR !!! YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS WRONG. CALL UKC AND ASK FOR YOURSELF.

JiM, a little help here? LOL

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Originally posted by xforce6
if no dog is declared treed yes 8 is applied

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Originally posted by treberta
NO SIR !!! YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS WRONG. CALL UKC AND ASK FOR YOURSELF.

JiM, a little help here? LOL

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I told you. UKC said they made a mistake, I give up.

Just trust me this situation happens often in a cast. One night I got scratched for arguing with the judge because in this SAME EXACT SITUATION he would not les me turn loose. I questioned it and won.

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Originally posted by gfults
According to "RULE" 11- After 5 minutes, the first dogs tree may be checked and that dog kept on leash until tree is scored, then he must be turned loose with other dogs that are OPENING ON TRAIL and will recieve 25 points credit or discredit as deserved, or next available position. However if dog(s) are already treed, handlers have the option to release dog(s) so long as at least one dog is still out trailing.

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Man! I'm just trying to help you get this right and as it stands right now you are in for a long night.

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Originally posted by treberta
I told you. UKC said they made a mistake, I give up.

Just trust me this situation happens often in a cast. One night I got scratched for arguing with the judge because in this SAME EXACT SITUATION he would not les me turn loose. I questioned it and won.

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Originally posted by treberta
Man! I'm just trying to help you get this right and as it stands right now you are in for a long night.

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Here you go dude.

You are correct. This is an instance where UKC stated they didn't mean for the rule to say what it says, and to overlook it and the option to recast is open whether or not there is a trailing dog, so long as there is a dog treed and a dog loose.

I hope they reword it ASAP because if you go by what is written it is impossible to do it the way UKC wants.

I realize this and have seen the official interpretation, but it will continue to cause problems until the words are changed to be accurate.


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This was posted by rip a few days ago.

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Originally posted by treberta
I told you. UKC said they made a mistake, I give up.

Just trust me this situation happens often in a cast. One night I got scratched for arguing with the judge because in this SAME EXACT SITUATION he would not les me turn loose. I questioned it and won.

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Originally posted by treberta
Here you go dude.

You are correct. This is an instance where UKC stated they didn't mean for the rule to say what it says, and to overlook it and the option to recast is open whether or not there is a trailing dog, so long as there is a dog treed and a dog loose.

I hope they reword it ASAP because if you go by what is written it is impossible to do it the way UKC wants.

I realize this and have seen the official interpretation, but it will continue to cause problems until the words are changed to be accurate.


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This was posted by rip a few days ago.

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Originally posted by treberta
Here you go dude.

You are correct. This is an instance where UKC stated they didn't mean for the rule to say what it says, and to overlook it and the option to recast is open whether or not there is a trailing dog, so long as there is a dog treed and a dog loose.

I hope they reword it ASAP because if you go by what is written it is impossible to do it the way UKC wants.

I realize this and have seen the official interpretation, but it will continue to cause problems until the words are changed to be accurate.


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This was posted by rip a few days ago.

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John Duemmer stated in an earlier post that the treed dog was on the 2. I assumed that meant the dog treed had hushed and all other dogs had hushed as well. Thats why I said the dogs shouldnt be recast until either a dog opened somewhere or the time caught the dog! The 2 expires and if still no dog has opened, start the 8.

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Thats it. my only question was wheather a dog could be recast before a dog opened?

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I think some of you are adding possibilities in your mind but aren't exactly what was posted in the scenario. This is what is leading to the confusion.

treberta is correct, although I have to mention, I emailed a similar scenario to TK regarding the same rule and he said 1 dog must be treed and another "opening", clearly that goes against what the 3/09 Advisor says.

Also, you wouldn't run an 8 on a "trailing" dog if another dog is declared treed. Of course, if that treed dog is quiet, you're going to apply the 2, then the 8. But then were aren't dealing with the original scenario.

Maybe this is clearer. 4 dog cast A and B are split treed C is struck and D has not been heard. A,s tree is scored. Can A be recast immediatly or must he wait until a dog opens?

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a can be recast however i would leash lock until bs tree is scored unless the 5 is still running

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
Maybe this is clearer. 4 dog cast A and B are split treed C is struck and D has not been heard. A,s tree is scored. Can A be recast immediatly or must he wait until a dog opens?

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Originally posted by xforce6
a can be recast however i would leash lock until bs tree is scored unless the 5 is still running

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Here was my thinking. Im hunting a dog that is usually deep and alone, i also know that she can be cut right off the tree and she wont go back, so i want to get her hunting as soon as possible. We walk away from my tree and all dogs are quiet so the judge runs the 2 and minuses the treed dog, now hw runs the 8 and my dog is locked for 10 minutes that she could have had to tree a coon. Remember after my tree was scored we had a dog declared treed and 2 others atlarge so i should have been able to recast immediatly. Right or wrong?

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treberta and gfults

gald to see someone have a heated discussion on here without getting mad and the name calling starting. I'm still not sure who is right as i know you both are up on the rules from reading your post.