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Rule question?

When dogs are recast to dogs that are atlarge but not struck do they get the minute, or do they have to be struck on or before the third bark? and is it the same if a dog is treed and the handler exercised his option to recast?

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I don't know and that is a really good question. Never thought about it but will be interested in the answer........

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from my understanding you only have the minute the first drop where all dogs are droped not on a recast so i believe youd have to strike on or before the third bark

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The one minute is run when the dogs are recast. Same as any time you cut loose.

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Here goes...
For a dog to be competing for 100 strike, all dogs must be competing. Not necessarily recast together. In your scenario, the treed dog is still struck and is awaiting to be scored therefore I don't believe you can strike in over it.
I believe you'd recast dogs and be struck for 25. Dogs need to be struck on or before the 3rd bark regardless if the minute is applied.
I might be getting my registries mixed up, but I believe that is the way it is.

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i KNOW you have a minute before you have to strike your dog in ukc

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you have 1 min everytime you turn dog loose each and everytime

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Re: Rule question?

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When dogs are recast to dogs that are atlarge but not struck do they get the minute, or do they have to be struck on or before the third bark? and is it the same if a dog is treed and the handler exercised his option to recast?
in ukc i thought you couldnt recast till a dog at large barked or the 8 was up?

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To simplify the question, does a dog get the "babble minute" whenever the leash is unsnapped regardless of what the other dogs may be doing?

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Barry you can recast if one dog is treed and another is atlarge. In this situation there is no 8 because the treed dog is on the 2.

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yea i knew that one i was talking about the first question...i was assuming you was saying dogs were at large and none opening.

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yea i knew that one i was talking about the first question...i was assuming you was saying dogs were at large and none opening.


The first question said the dogs at large had not been struck, therefore theres no reason to run a 8 or wait until a dog barked. Recast the dogs, run the minute, when the minutes up, the dogs being recast must be struck on or before the 3rd bark. Anytime dog(s) are released, the minute is applied.

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from my understanding you only have the minute the first drop where all dogs are droped not on a recast so i believe youd have to strike on or before the third bark


The minuts is applied every time a dog(s) are released.

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For a dog to be competing for 100 strike, all dogs must be competing. Not necessarily recast together. In your scenario, the treed dog is still struck and is awaiting to be scored therefore I don't believe you can strike in over it.
I believe you'd recast dogs and be struck for 25. Dogs need to be struck on or before the 3rd bark regardless if the minute is applied.
I might be getting my registries mixed up, but I believe that is the way it is.



Why would dogs need to be struck on or before the 3rd bark regardless if the minute is applied or not? They dont have to be if the minute is still running.

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Barry you can recast if one dog is treed and another is atlarge. In this situation there is no 8 because the treed dog is on the 2.


I assume the treed dog has hushed since the 2 is on him. If so, then the other dog at large needs to be struck in and opening before the other dogs can be recast. You cant recast dogs into other dogs thats been struck in if they are not opening until the 8 gets them or until they do decide to open.

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Another twist. one dog treed,one dog loose but not struck and one dog carrying strike points, fourth dog is on lead after scoring his tree. Since the dog not struck is competing for strike points can the handler on lead recast before the 8 is broke?

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Just cause the min is applied doesn't mean you have to wait the min to strike. If a dog is treed and the others on track go silent you can start the 8 on them as well if they aren't working form what i read and have been told in the past.

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Another twist. one dog treed,one dog loose but not struck and one dog carrying strike points, fourth dog is on lead after scoring his tree. Since the dog not struck is competing for strike points can the handler on lead recast before the 8 is broke?


THE 8 MINUTES SHOULD NOT EVEN BE APPLIED IN THIS SITUATION.

IF A DOG IS TREED THE 8 CAN NOT BE RAN. LINE YOURE DOG UP AND RECAST IT OR WALK IT INTO THE TREED DOGS TREE.

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I shouldnt have said the 8, what i meant is could you recast before a dog opened?

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Of course you can John.

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If dogs are declared struck and the dogs have hushed, you cannot recast a dog until either one of the dogs declared struck opens or until the 8 catches the dog(s).

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gfults, a dog is treed AND 2 dogs are still out and not handled. No you do not have to wait until a dog barks. Walk youre dog up and recast it or keep it on the leash.

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gfults, a dog is treed AND 2 dogs are still out and not handled. No you do not have to wait until a dog barks. Walk youre dog up and recast it or keep it on the leash.


The rules say the dog can be released into dogs that are opening on trail. Opening on trail means barking. If a dog is declared treed, you have the option to release dog as long as at least 1 dog is still out trailing. A dog has to be barking to be considered to be out trailing. If the dog has hushed you start the 8 and wait until the dog opens or the 8 expires. If you recast a dog with the 8 running, the dog you just recast could be used to break the 8 on another dog.

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The rules say the dog can be released into dogs that are opening on trail. Opening on trail means barking. If a dog is declared treed, you have the option to release dog as long as at least 1 dog is still out trailing. A dog has to be barking to be considered to be out trailing. If the dog has hushed you start the 8 and wait until the dog opens or the 8 expires. If you recast a dog with the 8 running, the dog you just recast could be used to break the 8 on another dog.


NO that is wrong. A dog "out" is to be considered trailing in this situation, weather its barking or not, no 8 is applied in thsi situation, trust me.

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NO that is wrong. A dog "out" is to be considered trailing in this situation, weather its barking or not, no 8 is applied in thsi situation, trust me.


According to "RULE" 11- After 5 minutes, the first dogs tree may be checked and that dog kept on leash until tree is scored, then he must be turned loose with other dogs that are OPENING ON TRAIL and will recieve 25 points credit or discredit as deserved, or next available position. However if dog(s) are already treed, handlers have the option to release dog(s) so long as at least one dog is still out trailing.

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