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Posted by JEFFHESTER on 01-10-2010 03:54 AM:

Difference in collars????

What's the difference in the DC20 and the DC30 collar ? Thanks.
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Posted by Lee Stocking on 01-10-2010 04:06 AM:

C-mon Jeff your not this far behind times are you?? The dc20 was the original collar design that did not meet the standards. I dont believe they manufacture the dc20 now. The dc30 is the newest collar that Garmin manufactures and is the one most use. I have had mine a couple years. Come go hunting with me and Ill show you how to use it. Just bring a coondog, I dont have one.

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Posted by JEFFHESTER on 01-10-2010 04:53 AM:

Lee

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Originally posted by Lee Stocking
C-mon Jeff your not this far behind times are you?? The dc20 was the original collar design that did not meet the standards. I dont believe they manufacture the dc20 now. The dc30 is the newest collar that Garmin manufactures and is the one most use. I have had mine a couple years. Come go hunting with me and Ill show you how to use it. Just bring a coondog, I dont have one.

LOL!!!! I've got to admit I don't know anything about the Garmin. You're welcome to come over and hunt with me anytime you want. You'll have to bring the coon dog though. A friend of mine has a walker we can borrow. Usually pick him up 5 miles from where you turned him loose though. You know how it works travels til he finds a track he can smell. Thanks for all the information.
Jeff

Posted by Rip on 01-10-2010 04:03 PM:

Jeff, trust me you won't be dissappointed. Best money you ever spent.

5 miles by truck is way different than 5 miles by the way the crow flies.

There is absolutely positively no bounceback. It is a different system all together. The radio waves only sends data to the handheld, the handheld does NOT use those waves for positioning, only data so as long as it can pick that data up it will be accurate no matter which direction it comes from. The data is the exact coordinates of the dog by GPS measurements.

As for range, normally it's 800-1000 yards before needing the roof mount. Roof mount goes 1-2 miles depending.

Now if you get on top of a ridge then you can pick them up for a mile or two on the handheld and 4 or 5 on the roof mount. It's no different than the other trackers in that regard, while it only sends data that data is sent by radio waves which is determined by line of sight. The less things between you and the dog the farther it will reach.

Even if it loses signal, unlike the old beep beeps where the dog is just gone till you can pick the signal back up, the Garmin shows you exactly where they were last picked up at. You can use the map to go there (say they went in a sink hole, with the beep beeps they are just gone unless you can get close enough to get some type of signal). With the Garmin you can just walk right to the mouth of the sinkhole cause it will show you on the map exactly where they were when you lost signal.

They are a great tool. I sold my beep beep within 2 weeks of getting the Garmin.

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Posted by Justin Smith on 01-10-2010 04:59 PM:

1,000 yards isn't that far ... not even out of hearing .

Why buy a system that makes you chase the dog and keep him within what you could hear ?

What is the difference in that and just old fashioned , going to the dogs as they hunt ?

It seems really silly to be trying to coonhunt , and spending most of your time fooling with a gadget that can't tell you anything you won't know by just looking up and listening ..

.. kids , lol ...

Posted by Rip on 01-10-2010 05:27 PM:

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
1,000 yards isn't that far ... not even out of hearing .

Why buy a system that makes you chase the dog and keep him within what you could hear ?

What is the difference in that and just old fashioned , going to the dogs as they hunt ?

It seems really silly to be trying to coonhunt , and spending most of your time fooling with a gadget that can't tell you anything you won't know by just looking up and listening ..

.. kids , lol ...

Looks like you need a reality check. Plenty of places in this world 1000 yards is out of hearin for the biggest mouthed dogs out there.

Evidently you don't hunt near as rough country as you want folks to believe LOL.

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Posted by CooperCreek on 01-10-2010 05:32 PM:

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
1,000 yards isn't that far ... not even out of hearing .

Why buy a system that makes you chase the dog and keep him within what you could hear ?

What is the difference in that and just old fashioned , going to the dogs as they hunt ?

It seems really silly to be trying to coonhunt , and spending most of your time fooling with a gadget that can't tell you anything you won't know by just looking up and listening ..

.. kids , lol ...

If everybody on this board knew what a joke a hunter you are you'd be banished from this board. Nope, you don't know me, but I have good friends that hunted with you. Next time I'll get them to take pictures of big bad Justin Smith and his LED clip light from wal-mart.

Posted by Justin Smith on 01-10-2010 05:36 PM:

I bet your friends didn't have the guts to say anything like that to my face ... backbiting don't insult the one you are talking about .. you insult yourself by becoming an ankle biter .

For the record , I've traveled and hunted plenty of folks with hound and terriers ... always had fun when i was there , and never went behind their back to talk smack and get stuff started ...

Posted by Virgil on 01-10-2010 05:40 PM:

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
1,000 yards isn't that far ... not even out of hearing .

Why buy a system that makes you chase the dog and keep him within what you could hear ?

What is the difference in that and just old fashioned , going to the dogs as they hunt ?

It seems really silly to be trying to coonhunt , and spending most of your time fooling with a gadget that can't tell you anything you won't know by just looking up and listening ..

.. kids , lol ...

What people think is a 1000 yards and what actually is a 1000 yards once you check it with a Garmin is two completely different things. I have a pretty good mouthed dog and I will be honest and say that I can't think of a time I have ever heard him from 1000 yards by garmin measurement.

I've also hunted with people and they will say things like "that dog is 500 yards that way" when in reality I look at the garmin and they are closer to 200 yards.

Called timeout in a hunt one night to round up the dogs. One guy comes by and said he heard them treed about 5 miles down the road, hooked the roof mount antenna up his 5 miles turned out to be 1 mile by the way the crow flies.

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Posted by Justin Smith on 01-10-2010 05:45 PM:

Well , if a garmin can't track further than out of the same section you are in .. I can't see how you really need it ... except if your friends all have one and you don't ,lol.

Posted by Rip on 01-10-2010 05:56 PM:

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
Well , if a garmin can't track further than out of the same section you are in .. I can't see how you really need it ... except if your friends all have one and you don't ,lol.

Justin, you need to read a little closer.

1000 yards as the crow flies is a long ways. It's over a half a mile, not the half a mile that everybody talks about goin in to get the dogs. Those end up bein a quarter mile in reality or less. I'm talkin about a real bonafide half a mile straight line. It's alot further than you think.

Furthermore, with the roof mount antenna it goes over a mile. That's a long way in the woods in reality as the crow flies. It might be 5 miles in the truck by the time you drive around, but as the crow flies a mile and a half is a long ways.

As for it not tellin you anything, I can tell you have never ever used one or seen one or if you did you didn't comprehend what you were witnessing. It can tell you which dog is REALLY leadin the pack and which one just sounds like it is doin something. It can tell you which dog is really huntin and which one is tagging along, it can tell you if they are really busy or just loafing, it can tell you if they really hunted out a section or went in a straight line. It can tell you if they checked the tree or just treed, or if a dog that didn't say a word actually did run that junk with the pups but did it silent. It is a great tool. Many of those things above you can only guess at as the dogs aren't making any racket.

If you can't take the bare truth about your hounds though I would recommend against it. It shows the nitty gritty about any dog that has one on. That kind of bare truth can be hard to swallow.

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Posted by Justin Smith on 01-10-2010 06:04 PM:

Rip , I know how to convert yards to feet and feet to miles .. not trying to brag or nothing , but I did pass third grade with flying colors , lol.

I have been around folks that used them plenty ... and if everyone here will be honest ... it's funny just how many times a guy using one spends looking down telling me how far the dogs are an which direction of it they're looking up .... and 99% of the time , I already heard it from the dogs ... if we're gonna be honest ...

I can seldom not hear a dog if they are opening and in the same section .... might manuever for a better hearing , but if they are barking .. I'll hear them.

Justifying that you bought a Garmin with misinformation is just a man lying to himself ... God and myself know better ,lol .

I can tell if a dog is hunting , treeing , tracking right or whatever ... all without a Garmin .. and so can any other dedicated hunters.

... If someone is honest about why they have a Garmin , fancy lights , the latest waders or whatever ... I won't say much ...

.. but , yall get carried away with the lying and I'll pop in and say something .

Posted by Rip on 01-10-2010 06:08 PM:

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
Rip , I know how to convert yards to feet and feet to miles .. not trying to brag or nothing , but I did pass third grade with flying colors , lol.

I have been around folks that used them plenty ... and if everyone here will be honest ... it's funny just how many times a guy using one spends looking down telling me how far the dogs are an which direction of it they're looking up .... and 99% of the time , I already heard it from the dogs ... if we're gonna be honest ...

I can seldom not hear a dog if they are opening and in the same section .... might manuever for a better hearing , but if they are barking .. I'll hear them.

Justifying that you bought a Garmin with misinformation is just a man lying to himself ... God and myself know better ,lol .

I can tell if a dog is hunting , treeing , tracking right or whatever ... all without a Garmin .. and so can any other dedicated hunters.

... If someone is honest about why they have a Garmin , fancy lights , the latest waders or whatever ... I won't say much ...

.. but , yall get carried away with the lying and I'll pop in and say something .

Justin, not a lie or factual inaccuracy in my post. You absolutely positively can not know what the dogs are doing as good without a garmin as you can with one. You can have an assumption, or a pretty good idea sometimes, but there is a world of difference.

That's like saying you can know everything that is going on in a football game just as good listening to it on the radio as seeing it in person. Ya just can't. Too much information is lost in translation.

Dogs don't bark when they hunt (at least those that are any count dont). All you know is they left that direction and came back or struck in spot X. What they did in between you have no way of knowing. The garmin gives you that information if you are willing to use it.

Like I said though, you have to be able to comprehend things for them to be a tool and not just a fancy gadget. If they are not for you, well then whatever floats your boat. Don't let your ignorance about what tech has allowed us to do blind you....Plenty of people don't know how to use a TI83 calculator, doesn't mean an engineer can't do wonderful things with it because they know it's capabilities. Same thing for this, just cause you can't comprehend how it can help your hunting/training doesn't mean other people don't have it figgured out.

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Posted by CooperCreek on 01-10-2010 06:12 PM:

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
I bet your friends didn't have the guts to say anything like that to my face ... backbiting don't insult the one you are talking about .. you insult yourself by becoming an ankle biter .

For the record , I've traveled and hunted plenty of folks with hound and terriers ... always had fun when i was there , and never went behind their back to talk smack and get stuff started ...

Gee Justin, somebody pulls your panties over your head and you come out swinging. But yet you feel enabled to tromp on here and chastise and ridicule people as you see fit?

How bout you grow up, buy a big boy light, and earn the respect you think you have. At this point, your reputation as a blow-hard only gets you somewhere with those that play your own game--disgraceful!

Posted by Justin Smith on 01-10-2010 06:16 PM:

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Originally posted by CooperCreek
Gee Justin, somebody pulls your panties over your head and you come out swinging. But yet you feel enabled to tromp on here and chastise and ridicule people as you see fit?

How bout you grow up, buy a big boy light, and earn the respect you think you have. At this point, your reputation as a blow-hard only gets you somewhere with those that play your own game--disgraceful!

When I grow up , if I have a problem with someone .. I'll be man enough to take it up with them and not try and hash it out on a message board under a topic about tracking collars ... you've never met me or layed eyes on me .. so it's kinda silly for you to even be talking to me now ..

I'm not scared of the dark , so I don't really need a light as big as most folks do ...

Posted by stanley ailshie on 01-10-2010 06:17 PM:

late round friday nite at the lonestar hunt i picked mine up 3.12 miles all dogs were together. im sure anyone on the cast will tell you the same.

Posted by CooperCreek on 01-10-2010 06:18 PM:

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
When I grow up , if I have a problem with someone .. I'll be man enough to take it up with them and not try and hash it out on a message board under a topic about tracking collars ... you've never met me or layed eyes on me .. so it's kinda silly for you to even be talking to me now ..

I'm not scared of the dark , so I don't really need a light as big as most folks do ...

So you can start crap with people on here you don't know? Get them rilled up? But...because I've never met you, I can't do it?

Which rules are we playing by? Or is there a different set of rules that apply to me than you apply to yourself? You can start crap with people on here you've never met? But I can't start crap with you because you've never met me?

Go pull your underwear out. You know I wouldn't have to search long to find another thread that contains some kinda insult from Mr. Justin Smith---and the fall out left behind. If you wanna play nice--apply the same rules to yourself that you're trying to apply to me. If not, I'll play by your rules and say whatever I want whenever I want....right?

Posted by Justin Smith on 01-10-2010 06:24 PM:

A garmin can tell you where the dogs are ... but it aint telling you which dogs are doing the work , opening the most .. and which dogs are tagging along , cheating or whatever ...

A garmin can tell you which dogs looks up first ... but it can't tell you which one locates first and is doing the treeing.

Rip , a garmin can tell you which direction the dogs went ... but it's not telling you if the dog is hunting , following the others ..or just loping along and stretching his legs.

Folks make the Garmin sound like you can't hunt without it... and that the Garmin is telling you something you'd never know otherwise ... not true .

Coonhunters are just people .. subject to following fads and trends like everyone else ... peer pressure don't end when high school does ..

Posted by CooperCreek on 01-10-2010 06:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Justin Smith
... but it's not telling you if the dog is hunting , following the others ..

Rip, can you tell on your garmin if one dog is following the other?

I guess mine tells me that, but maybe mine is special and other folk's garmins you can't tell which dog is the lead dog and which dogs are following?

Or maybe Mr. Smith is yet again blowing smoke about something he knows nothing about...

Posted by Justin Smith on 01-10-2010 06:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by CooperCreek
So you can start crap with people on here you don't know? Get them rilled up? But...because I've never met you, I can't do it?

Which rules are we playing by? Or is there a different set of rules that apply to me than you apply to yourself? You can start crap with people on here you've never met? But I can't start crap with you because you've never met me?

Go pull your underwear out. You know I wouldn't have to search long to find another thread that contains some kinda insult from Mr. Justin Smith---and the fall out left behind. If you wanna play nice--apply the same rules to yourself that you're trying to apply to me. If not, I'll play by your rules and say whatever I want whenever I want....right?

Hey , I love to argue and fight ... but , I do it for myself .... don't drag others into it ... and can stick to the topic while arguing.

You make it look like your obsessed with another man and what he does ... I guess that's cool , after all .. it's just a piece of skin and you did suck your thumb as a kid ...

Posted by Rip on 01-10-2010 06:29 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Justin Smith
A garmin can tell you where the dogs are ... but it aint telling you which dogs are doing the work , opening the most .. and which dogs are tagging along , cheating or whatever ...

A garmin can tell you which dogs looks up first ... but it can't tell you which one locates first and is doing the treeing.

Rip , a garmin can tell you which direction the dogs went ... but it's not telling you if the dog is hunting , following the others ..or just loping along and stretching his legs.

Folks make the Garmin sound like you can't hunt without it... and that the Garmin is telling you something you'd never know otherwise ... not true .

Coonhunters are just people .. subject to following fads and trends like everyone else ... peer pressure don't end when high school does ..

LMBO

Yep, you can tell which dog that hasn't opened is working better than the person that has all 3/4 or whatever on the screen seeing what they are doing, which ones are in front etc.

You can tell exactly which dog is doin the work 1/4 mile in on a bad track where they ain't sayin much better than someone that can see all of their every move on the screen.

You can tell this with your powers of mental telepathy, so that without a peep you can tell which dogs are in front/behind which ones are loafing or hunting without a sound 1/4 mile away in the dark. You just know when the dogs left right and came back left without a bark they really hunted that 1/4 mile block out real good. Much better than someone that can see every step they made.

You just can't make this stuff up.

Justin, nobody every said you couldn't hunt without it. I have only said that if you are able to comprehend it and learn how to use it that it could be a very valuable tool. Just like a calculator, computer, car, truck etc etc etc.

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Posted by CooperCreek on 01-10-2010 06:31 PM:

Have a good day Mr. Smith...hope the police don't catch you next time you break your own rules...stick your head in on a topic you know nothing about...just to stir the pot.

Posted by Justin Smith on 01-10-2010 06:32 PM:

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Originally posted by CooperCreek
Rip, can you tell on your garmin if one dog is following the other?

I guess mine tells me that, but maybe mine is special and other folk's garmins you can't tell which dog is the lead dog and which dogs are following?

Or maybe Mr. Smith is yet again blowing smoke about something he knows nothing about...

You can tell if one dog is in front of the other ... but it doesn't tell you which one is doing the work ... it doesnt tell you the difference in a dog that is swinging out on track honestly .. and a dog that is lifting his head to let another dog trail while he tries to cheat off him ...

.. It can show you if a dog is behind another ... but it cant' tell you if he is honestly working the track ... or if he's just babbling along behind ..

... That stuff that you have to figure out by listening , watching , hunting and all kinds of stuff that can't be figured out at the tailgate.

Whether you just listen , drive around , use Garmin or whatever ... it's not hunting until you get in the woods and hunt .

Posted by Justin Smith on 01-10-2010 06:39 PM:

Rip , I can't hear dogs barking if they aint barking ... you're fabricating an argument with yourself to make it look like you have a point .... you'd be laughed out of an intelligent debat with non coonhunters if you tried that .

A dog's voice is his way to tell you what he's doing .. and you have to listen to it and learn what it means .

If you really want to know what the dogs are doing ... you'll have to go see .

Neither listening or the Garmin can tell you if that dog on the screen is hunting ... or if it's jumping on the other dogs playing , has his head up just following or whatever.

All this stuff is something that hunters know ... anyone that hunts , knows it ... no need to make ourselves look special by acting like everyone else isn't .

The best case for the Garmin has nothing to do with the dogs .... it's a great tool for older guys , impaired folks or beginners who don't have experienced guys to hunt with ....

.. reasons like those are much better to give for a Garmin than to try and tell most hunters that we don't know what our dogs are doing ...

.. or trying to tell us how to convert yards to miles , lol .. good grief ... we can do better than that ...

Posted by CooperCreek on 01-10-2010 06:42 PM:

Justin--

The dogs are treed 400 yards off the road, on big water. I'm standing at the road bridge, listening to the dogs. I CAN HEAR THEM!!

Can you tell me which side of the river the dogs are treed on? We'll walk in on that side, because we can't cross that deep water.

Yep, I'm lazy. I ain't walkin' in on the wrong side to find out, just to walk back and walk in on the right side to get to the dogs.

The time I save, I can make another drop for the night.

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