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I am a disabled veteran who gets his health care through the Veteran's Administration. If it wasn't for the V A, I wouldn't have any health care and possibly, wouldn't be alive. The V A is government run health care and it is excellent. I wish all the folks who didn't have any thing else could have a similar program.

As for the end of life counceling, I have had it. All it was is that I signed a release so that I won't be kept alive with no hope of recovery. I told them I don't want to be kept alive on a machine. Just as simple as that. I am sure the V A will keep me alive until there is no hope of recovery. They **** sure have kept me alive so far.

Some of you people are just spreading lies and stirring up trouble. Even being troublemakers, I believe the government would keep you alive.

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Did anyone notice how the Democrats were quick to say Sarah Palin was "crazy" for referring to Obama's "Death panel", yet the very next day they supposedly removed the part of the bill that she referred to in her web blog.

Let Truly and Obama keep talking, the more they talk, the more people realize they haven't got a clue or their best intentions at heart. Obama is losing the battle and he knows it. Let's just pray he and his regime of thugs don't take it out on our country.

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Originally posted by Lakeland Kennel
I am a disabled veteran who gets his health care through the Veteran's Administration. If it wasn't for the V A, I wouldn't have any health care and possibly, wouldn't be alive. The V A is government run health care and it is excellent. I wish all the folks who didn't have any thing else could have a similar program.

As for the end of life counceling, I have had it. All it was is that I signed a release so that I won't be kept alive with no hope of recovery. I told them I don't want to be kept alive on a machine. Just as simple as that. I am sure the V A will keep me alive until there is no hope of recovery. They **** sure have kept me alive so far.

Some of you people are just spreading lies and stirring up trouble. Even being troublemakers, I believe the government would keep you alive.

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Re: I swear you guys would buy whatever they are selling

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Originally posted by truly
just a sampling of how easy it is to refute that idiotic viral email:
Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!

First of all, it starts on page 21, not 22, and it simply mandates a study of risk on the part of all companies that choose to provide self-insurance, to make sure they are capitalized properly. This is something that private insurance companies are required to do; it's to protect the consumer. Say you work at a company with their own health insurance system; how would you like to find out after you've received a $100,000 bill for a hospital stay, that the insurance pool can't pay the bill?

This is also important because when they can't pay the bills, then everyone else with insurance ends up picking up the slack. Got that? That's the reason health insurance premiums have more than doubled in the last ten years, and are scheduled to double again in the next ten, if nothing changes.

Anyway, why should companies acting as health insurance companies be allowed to operate under different rules than insurance companies? Isn't that unfair competition?

• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!

The section actually starts on page 26, and it's entitled:
SEC. 122. ESSENTIAL BENEFITS PACKAGE DEFINED.

There is absolutely NO section in there, from page 26 through page 30, that indicates rationing of any kind. Looking at Page 29 specifically, it contains a section called "Annual Limitation." A-HA! See? It's a LIMITATION! That's the same as rationing, right? Didn't they admit rationing?

Well, no. Because the limit is on the amount that people will have to pay out in cost-sharing, should the agency implementing the bill decide to use a version of cost-sharing. The limit is on how much a patient will have to pay, not a limit on the health care the patient receives.Watch how many times these tools bring up the "rationing" canard. It's almost as often as they mention ACORN. (I kid you not. Just wait.)

See what I mean when I say we have to watch these people, and check their "facts?"

• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)

The section on Page 30 establishes an advisory committee, and yes; they will decide which treatments and benefits you get. I'm unsure as to why this is a bad thing. I don't want my health insurance premiums going to Britney's boob job, even if I have private insurance. Which reminds me; does this bozo actually think private insurance companies don't have a list of acceptable treatments and benefits?

There is one difference here, though. The committee's recommendations will be published and the public will have access to them. Which means they will be able to offer input to the process.

Oh, and there is nothing here about "no appeals process." The Committee will simply recommend processes for implementation. Not only that, but varying appeals processes are laid out in detail throughout the bill. So, he lied about that...

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Anybody stupid enough to think they will stop taking care of the elderly are totaly out of touch. OLD PEOPLE VOTE.

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Originally posted by Mac1st
Anybody stupid enough to think they will stop taking care of the elderly are totaly out of touch. OLD PEOPLE VOTE.

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Originally posted by Lee Stocking
I disagree. I for one am 100% against a gov run health care system. So is each and every relative, friend, co-worker and aquaintences I see and talk too in person. Then I have to come the ukc messege board to find out im not thinking straight.

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Truly, are you a black man? Not racist here but just wondering if thats the reason your siding with obama..My god man..Can you not see what the idiot is doing?

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Originally posted by Mac1st
Anybody stupid enough to think they will stop taking care of the elderly are totaly out of touch.

OLD PEOPLE VOTE.

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Truly, are you a black man? Not racist here but just wondering if thats the reason your siding with obama..My god man..Can you not see what the idiot is doing?

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Originally posted by truly
Sure - that comment isnt racist one bit! Right.......
You suggest only a black man would be so stupid as to disagree with you and you think that comment isn't racist?????

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Why would it even matter. I am an American and I am a part of the majority who supports a public option.


"Public Option is very popular:The poll — which was just released by the Employee Benefit Research Institute, a D.C. policy think tank — finds that a majority (53%) strongly back the availability of a public plan, while another 30% “somewhat” support it. That’s a total of 83% in favor of a public plan — a staggeringly large majority."

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Originally posted by liberalcreek
Did anyone notice how the Democrats were quick to say Sarah Palin was "crazy" for referring to Obama's "Death panel", yet the very next day they supposedly removed the part of the bill that she referred to in her web blog.

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Socialized Medicine

The fact is we already have socialized medicine for a segment of our population. IT'S CALLED MEDICARE!!!

It seems like a HUGE majority (don't know the %'s) are opting for socialized medicine as soon as they become eligible (age 65) to be covered under our SOCIALIZED MEDICINE (MEDICARE) PLAN. They often supplement it with a supplementary private plan (commonly called Medi-Gap).

The people that I know that are eligible for our SOCIALIZED MEDICINE PROGRAM (MEDICARE), CHOOSE IT over paying exorbitant rates for a private plan (can't afford it)!!!

How many people do you know that are eligible for our SOCIALIZED MEDICINE PROGRAM (MEDICARE) that choose not to exercise that "public option"???

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Originally posted by DonBTechler
They removed it because people like you aren't bright enough to understand it. It was just to pay for counseling that doctors do everyday already. Palin was just trying to scare people and it worked on the weak minded.

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