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Originally posted by JiM
Of course you don't, nobody does. Because we all shoot our babblers or break'um......LMAO.

If I can ever get one in my kennel, I will pat him on the head, strike him for 100 and laugh all the way to the bank.

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As usual sheep, you just dont seem to grasp the big picture...

I hunt tight mouth dogs, It would be very easy for me to sit here and say my dogs NEVER EVER babble....I doubt anyone would say otherwise.

Fact is they will, not often, but they do.

When your dog barks in the kennel is it winding a coon?

The problem is that breeder's breed around the rule's & when it's fair game every single turnout can you blaim them? I beleive we can thank our respective breed representative's on the rule's committee for that one.

My number one pet peeve is babbling idiot's & there seem's to be more that do than don't. Aggrevate's me to no end & if I have one that think's about it there can be & is some fairly harsch consequence's.

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Originally posted by josh
As usual sheep, you just dont seem to grasp the big picture...

I hunt tight mouth dogs, It would be very easy for me to sit here and say my dogs NEVER EVER babble....I doubt anyone would say otherwise.

Fact is they will, not often, but they do.

When your dog barks in the kennel is it winding a coon?

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Anytime I hear a coonhunter use the words "NEVER, EVER", I know one of two things for sure. He is either full of crap or he just doesn't know what is happening out there.

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Originally posted by JiM
Anytime I hear a coonhunter use the words "NEVER, EVER", I know one of two things for sure. He is either full of crap or he just doesn't know what is happening out there.

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the worst rule EVER to be changed was giving the dogs a 1 minute grace period before they must be struck.

in the old days dogs barked 3 times off the lead they had to be struck and minussed on the first offense and scratched on the second. If you had a babbler he wassnt ready for the hunts.

the only thing the grace period did was eliminate the need to break them.

Everyone keeps telling me akc's rule of not being able to strike a dog in the first minute is the way to go. BS, that absolutely does nothing to promote breaking babblers. All they are doing is trying to minimize the advantage of a babbler.

Lets go back to the old way. Break them.

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Originally posted by elvis
the worst rule EVER to be changed was giving the dogs a 1 minute grace period before they must be struck.

in the old days dogs barked 3 times off the lead they had to be struck and minussed on the first offense and scratched on the second. If you had a babbler he wassnt ready for the hunts.

the only thing the grace period did was eliminate the need to break them.

Everyone keeps telling me akc's rule of not being able to strike a dog in the first minute is the way to go. BS, that absolutely does nothing to promote breaking babblers. All they are doing is trying to minimize the advantage of a babbler.

Lets go back to the old way. Break them.

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Originally posted by elvis

Lets go back to the old way. Break them.

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Elvis, Man I am with you 100% on that one. Seem's like an honest strike dog is penalized way to much by that one minute let'er rip rule. Wouldn't be quite so bad if the dude on the end of the leash didn't take advantage of it every time the snap goes "CLICK"!!

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Originally posted by John D
How do you do that and will it work on all dogs?

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I agree, I think alot of it is caused by turning pups loose with old dogs and they can't keep up.

I used the Tritronics to cure a few dogs that showed a tendency to babble. I have one that I slowed way down but in certain situations she will still babble.

A daughter of hers appears to me to be UNBREAKBLE. Before anyone says she's a worthless me-too idiot, she's as nice and honest a dog as I've seen for her age, when hunted alone. She's smart in other ways and learns fast. She knows to shut up in the kennel when she gets the juice. Put her with another dog and OMG... I've given her the juice and it seems to make no difference.

I don't know if I'm not a smart enough trainer or if she's a lost cause and thought I'd ask those that have trained a few.

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recently if drew out a dog from southern ohio in world finals in elizabeth and all night long he was babbling so i am going to post on here how to handle it professionaly in a hunt. Jeff nelson was the judge on our cast and he handled it perfectly couldn't ask for a better judge or guy . all night long i was getting second strike and split treeing by my self i just could not get a strike on this dog and right off the lead he started in babbling here is the problem he never stopped and moved a track and got treed with a coon. if they don't shut up you can not get them for it . no matter what . last drop he is beating me by a 25 guide takes us to a drop and we walk the dogs a hundred yards all the way to the woods and not a sound just when i thought he was going to say cut them loose he says stop and walk back , we turned around and walked all the way back cut them loose now if there was a coon there those dogs would have been going crazy off the lead when we walked them up there the first time. the dog ended up being minused for babbling .
You can follow the same step in your casts just try and do it early in the hunt so you can get that babbling crap out of the cast and strike in for real.

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Originally posted by JiM
Everybody claims to hate the babbler and yet everyone claims they are always drawing a babbler on every cast. What a crock......

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Originally posted by elvis
the worst rule EVER to be changed was giving the dogs a 1 minute grace period before they must be struck.

in the old days dogs barked 3 times off the lead they had to be struck and minussed on the first offense and scratched on the second. If you had a babbler he wassnt ready for the hunts.

the only thing the grace period did was eliminate the need to break them.

Everyone keeps telling me akc's rule of not being able to strike a dog in the first minute is the way to go. BS, that absolutely does nothing to promote breaking babblers. All they are doing is trying to minimize the advantage of a babbler.

Lets go back to the old way. Break them.

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Like I said earlier, turn them loose in a hay field where there is no corn or timber. I would bet that babbler will bark everytime in all areas.

Two Toes your right just the right electricity does wonders. I won't own a babbler.

Far as Im concerned if they are a known babbler they shouldn't be allowed to hunt. As stated by Two Toes sure hurts the honest strike dog! And no I would also bet that so called cold nose hound is babbling too. Not all cases but the majority!

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Originally posted by smokey7
My dog is not loud, she doesn't tree hard, she doesn't chop on tree, she bawls, and she will not stay at the tree with a facebarking dog.

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I have had both, the babbler and the honest strike dog. I prefer the honest strike dog but the babbler is tough to beat in competition.

I was on a cast where two hounds were babbling right off the lead and was getting struck just out of sight. The third dog and my dog wasn't babbling and was getting last strike. We had a plan to hold our dogs behind the babblers and pet them up on the turn loose. Both of our dogs opened a couple times and we struck them in. Those other two guys got all kinds of upset and called us cheaters amoung other things. What goes around comes around didn't seem right with those guys.

Every dog will or has babbled sometime in its life. The same goes for one leaving a tree, treeing in the ground, treeing slick etc. They are dogs and they WILL do dumb things. Anyone who thinks they have a dog that wont do any or all of those things either dont know what theyre talking about or theyre a liar. Anything that will eat s*@# and s@$#% its own mother is subject to do ANYTHING!!

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Originally posted by gfults
Every dog will or has babbled sometime in its life. The same goes for one leaving a tree, treeing in the ground, treeing slick etc. They are dogs and they WILL do dumb things. Anyone who thinks they have a dog that wont do any or all of those things either dont know what theyre talking about or theyre a liar. Anything that will eat s*@# and s@$#% its own mother is subject to do ANYTHING!!

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First of all I never said anything about you or your dogs. I was talking about all of them. Including mine. Maybe only did it once or twice but did it nevertheless. This is not really that hard to score if a competent judge is toting the scorecard. If a good judge really thinks a dog is babbling, all hes gotta do is say he believes the dog is babbling and is minused its strike. If the handler dont agree, and he wont, they can question the call and vote on it. You'll win some and you'll lose some.

I have one that makes lots of them babble but best I can remember in 5 years shes never once done it..I take ALOT of 50's and 25 strikes in a hunt!!! Want bother me any if she would every now again..Specially if she sees 3 dogs lined up next to her lol....I really dont see how they pleasure hunt these barking son of a guns!!!!!

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Originally posted by gfults
First of all I never said anything about you or your dogs. I was talking about all of them. Including mine. Maybe only did it once or twice but did it nevertheless. This is not really that hard to score if a competent judge is toting the scorecard. If a good judge really thinks a dog is babbling, all hes gotta do is say he believes the dog is babbling and is minused its strike. If the handler dont agree, and he wont, they can question the call and vote on it. You'll win some and you'll lose some.

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