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Posted by bamacooner on 01-26-2007 11:14 PM:

walkers are fine for comp hunting, but they are not worth a dang in a beaverpond or a cold track. i feel i have aright to say this because i currently have 2 walkers myself, i just boutght a 6 month old plott, that trees in front of those walkers on a regular basis. also she is not afraid of a beaver pond, and she doesn't slick tree like those walkers do.

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Posted by jackbob42 on 01-26-2007 11:42 PM:

It's a whole ot easier to blame the numbers than it is to admit the dog can't get the job done.
Heck , look how many walker dogs get be after being cheated , or driven off a tree by a mean dog , dry-holed by a guide, etc.
Everybody has an excuse.
There may be more winning walker dogs than the other breeds , but there's also more losing walker dogs too! LOL

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Posted by SCBluetickGirl on 01-27-2007 04:23 PM:

Calm down guys

Listen, I don't see the need in trying to offend someone personally for stating their opinions. I'm not demoting or promoting any breed. The only thing that I'm saying is that numbers do have SOME INFLUENCE. And, to shut some of you up about my "bias opinion", I think that walkers are awesome dogs. They start early and hunt hard. But, it just isn't fair to get on here and junk talk other people's breeds. In addition to my blue dogs, I also have 2 walkers and a redbone. If my username didn't have the word in it, you guys wouldn't even know what kind of dogs I hunt. I never put any breed on the pedestal in these posts, or anytime. I just think it takes some of the enjoyment out of the sport when you have people that trash other people and their dogs. That's not what it's about. I mean, the guy who started this thread said that he and his little boy were about to get back into coon hunting. Now, do you think he wants to bring his kid into a sport that's turning out to be nothing more than a pissin contest among owners and their breeds? Let's just let the dogs do the talking.

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Posted by Copenhagen on 01-27-2007 05:03 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by bamacooner
walkers are fine for comp hunting, but they are not worth a dang in a beaverpond or a cold track. i feel i have aright to say this because i currently have 2 walkers myself, i just boutght a 6 month old plott, that trees in front of those walkers on a regular basis. also she is not afraid of a beaver pond, and she doesn't slick tree like those walkers do.

ARE YOU REALLY THAT IGNORANT? DID IT EVER COME INTO YOUR MIND THAT MAYBE THE WALKERS YOU HAVE ARE NOT THE NORM FOR WALKERS? THAT IS THE STUPIDEST POST I HAVE READ ON THIS FORUM TO DATE. MAYBE YOU SHOULD LET SOMEONE WHO HAS A CLUE TRAIN YOUR HOUNDS FROM NOW ON AND IT WILL KEEP YOU FROM RUINING MORE GOOD WALKERS.

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Posted by josh on 01-27-2007 05:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by bamacooner
walkers are fine for comp hunting, but they are not worth a dang in a beaverpond or a cold track. i feel i have aright to say this because i currently have 2 walkers myself, i just boutght a 6 month old plott, that trees in front of those walkers on a regular basis. also she is not afraid of a beaver pond, and she doesn't slick tree like those walkers do.

You need to get that 6 month old plott to some hunts.....If you can consistantly beat the Walkers there, you really do have somthing.

Posted by Josh Howard on 01-27-2007 05:31 PM:

TCarson17,
I am an avid Walker fan. They are my pick and what I own and hunt, and I can promise you they don't bog up in a swamp or anything else and can flat drift a bad cold track, and put the coon up a tree. However, if you are interested in a Black and Tan, I can tell you where you can find one that will put you and your son in the "winner's circle." I pleasure hunt with a man that hunts B&T's. He has the best B&T's I have ever hunted with--some of the best coondogs. This man does not hunt any competition hunts, but I guarantee you his dogs are better than the majority that do hunt comp. I know this because I have handled his hounds before to show him they could win. If interested in a B&T, I can point you in the right direction!! Trust me, he aint scared to show them either. I feel pretty confident he would let you hunt with at least 3, and will turn them loose any way you want to see them go.

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Posted by Brian V on 01-27-2007 05:35 PM:

I dont care what color it is I got a redbone a walker and a 6month old B&T out of Smokey III. the black dog is treeing coons already although he does his fair share of trash. He is a HARD TREEEE DAWG. I am very pleased.

Posted by ringtail on 01-27-2007 07:45 PM:

here we go again.......

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Originally posted by TCarson17
.......I noticed looking at all of the hunt results you hardly ever see a B/T in the winners circle for nite hunts. Why is this is......

It is SIMPLE! there is far more registered walkers than any other breed.... the reason being, because they WIN... they win because that is what they were bred to do.... they have bred the walkers to put points on a card...... if you want to comp hunt go walker all the way.....

#1) there is absolutely NO more (I MEAN ZERO) better old cold nosed, hunt a circle, check back in, strike in hearing distance, 95% have the meat, country coon treeing walkers than there are any other breed.....

#2) what there is though is 20 to 01 high powered, leave the country, 40% of the time strike out of hearing, SPEED demon, tree happy, may have meat may not (50/50 chance), gonna get split or bust competition walkers than there are all the other breeds put together... and that is what it takes if you want to compete in the upper levels of competition.....

if you are looking for something that you can win with in local hunts and make GR Nite Champ fairly easy, something that you can enjoy hunting night after night and won't get you burnt out, go with the #1 type dog and get your breed of choice......

I have hunted a few of the #2 types (one I owned).. she may leave out burning a deer but I GAR-ON-TEE you would be getting her off tree the next time you saw her, I eventually got sick of driving for miles trying to get where you could hear her (back before we had trackers)and sold her... don't get me wrong she didn't leave the country every time I dropped her, sometimes she did hit hot tracks close......

one LAST thing and I'll quit..... the BEST competition dog doesn't necessarily mean the BEST COONDOG!!!!!!!!!!

these are just my opinions, hope I didn't offend... thanks for taking the time to read

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Posted by george florence on 01-27-2007 09:16 PM:

just a thought for you to chew on

If the Walker breed is as great as they are cracked up to be, then why do the vast majority of them disappear from the hunts when the leaves come off the tree's. Now I'm not downing the Walker breed by any means, I have owned them in the past, I own one now, and I'll probably own one in the future. Their biggest problem is also their biggest asset, they are bred to be TREE DOGS, and tree dogs make bad tree's. There is no malice toward the breed in this, just fact, and by the way, I'm breaking my Walker pup with my Black & Tan female.

Posted by CountryMile on 01-27-2007 09:54 PM:

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Originally posted by nitechamp bud
I don't believe walkers win more because there are more of them. I believe there are so many walkers because they win so much. The cream always rises to the the top.

Wich came first the chicken or the egg? I do know this, more walkers loose more hunts than any other breed and they also produce more culls than any other breed. And of course as everyone knows they win more hunts than any other breed. Dave

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Posted by yarddog on 01-27-2007 10:09 PM:

just my input i like the dark blue ticks but own a red tick and two walker's because if you can't beat them joint the winning team

Posted by nitechamp bud on 01-27-2007 10:21 PM:

I wonder if you took all the other 5 breeds wins together and compared them to just the walkers if they would even be close to matching? I really kinda doubt it.

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Posted by Bill(Chew) on 01-28-2007 02:30 PM:

I just love these threads on how great the walkers are. The arrogance of some walker hunters is something else. There are MANY great walkers out there, true. There are many great dogs of other breeds also. I LOVE when UKC publishes the number of dogs entered by breed and then give the percentages of winners, the walker breed often fall way behind.

The walker breed has done a better job of breeding for the score card. You can beat a great dog with a cull if you can't hear the great dog because the cull has such an overpowering mouth. Thats just one of MANY ways the walker breed has bred for the hunts.

A good dog is a good dog regardless of color and I have owned some of each breed. One of my best was a bluetick. Of the best COMPETION dogs I've hunted one was a B&T and the other was a walker. The best night after night COON hounds have been B&Ts, probably because they are my preffered breed and I've had more of them.

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Posted by Chiggers on 01-28-2007 02:48 PM:

I like all breeds, it really dont matter much to me, a good dog is a good dog, but some of the other breeds seem more enjoyable than the Walkers around the house and in the kennel. After the walkers get a little age on them they calm down, but a lot of them are nuts when they are young. Bark, bark, bark, run in circles, try to attack the weed eater, set and bark at a cricket ect ect. What are some of the more sensible calm Walkers out there?

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Posted by John Wittenborn on 01-28-2007 03:12 PM:

I don't care if there are a thousond dog's in the HUNT.

You ONLY HAVE TO BEAT THE TWO OR THREE dog's that you are drawn out against, with PLUS POINTS, before you can start comparing your score against the other 996 or 997 OTHER DOG'S IN THE HUNT, REGARDLESS OF THEIR BREED. So really what it amounts too, is to win your cast with the most PLUS POINTS, that you can get, & let the CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY.

If I'm wrong, someone explain to me where I ERRORED?????????

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Posted by nitechamp bud on 01-28-2007 03:29 PM:

Re: I don't care if there are a thousond dog's in the HUNT.

quote:
Originally posted by John Wittenborn
You ONLY HAVE TO BEAT THE TWO OR THREE dog's that you are drawn out against, with PLUS POINTS, before you can start comparing your score against the other 996 or 997 OTHER DOG'S IN THE HUNT, REGARDLESS OF THEIR BREED. So really what it amounts too, is to win your cast with the most PLUS POINTS, that you can get, & let the CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY.

If I'm wrong, someone explain to me where I ERRORED?????????

Exactly John, but the numbers arguement is all the other breeds have. If they were ever convinced to see the truth they would crumble in dismay(ie).

dis·may (dĭs-mā')
1. To destroy the courage or resolution of by exciting dread or apprehension.
2. To cause to lose enthusiasm; disillusion.
3. To upset or alarm.
n.A sudden or complete loss of courage.

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Posted by redneck_girl on 01-28-2007 03:41 PM:

With all that said....

Why is it all the "SLICK" handlers I know of, use walkers to be "SLICK" with? If a WALKER does suck a 'jam up job' why the need to 'hire' "SLICK" handlers?

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Posted by nitechamp bud on 01-28-2007 03:54 PM:

Re: With all that said....

It must be a freak occurrence in your area, because I know of no walker handlers that need to rely on slick handling. I have seen plenty of shamefull acts preformed by the other breeds trying to compete against walkers but never any from the walker men themselves. It is sad what the other breeds will try and pull just so they can say they beat a walker.

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Posted by redneck_girl on 01-28-2007 05:04 PM:

Re: Re: With all that said....

quote:
Originally posted by nitechamp bud
It must be a freak occurrence in your area, because I know of no walker handlers that need to rely on slick handling. I have seen plenty of shamefull acts preformed by the other breeds trying to compete against walkers but never any from the walker men themselves. It is sad what the other breeds will try and pull just so they can say they beat a walker.

Actually, no matter what breed, it is a SHAME!
As you notice on my siggy, none of them say NTCH. Only because Dave refuses to hunt the nite hunts. I refuse to pay a handler to do something he can do.
To be honest, I've seen many hounds I'd love to have. Whether for looks or ability, either way. But why people do some of the dishonest things they do is beyond me. Also, why people would put themselves out there to do dishonest, is still beyond me.

Posted by rance56 on 01-28-2007 05:11 PM:

alot of these hired handlers are SLICK handlers they are GOOD handlers, if you went to some hunts you might learn the difference. and wasnt it you that said women can do anythign men can do and better, well get out and handle your dog yourself.

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Posted by redneck_girl on 01-28-2007 06:08 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rance56
alot of these hired handlers are SLICK handlers they are GOOD handlers, if you went to some hunts you might learn the difference. and wasnt it you that said women can do anythign men can do and better, well get out and handle your dog yourself.

I'd LOVE to do just that. With the health problems that I have, I wouldn't last in a 2 hour hunt. Thanks for being concerned.

Posted by rance56 on 01-28-2007 06:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by redneck_girl
I'd LOVE to do just that. With the health problems that I have, I wouldn't last in a 2 hour hunt. Thanks for being concerned.

excuses are like armpits, everyone has 2 and most STINK! how do you know about this slick handlers if you cant make it to a hunt?

all you do is sit on this board and run people down. what was your excuse for not showing at the WC, you obviously think your dogs are better, you publically said so yourself

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Posted by redneck_girl on 01-28-2007 07:54 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rance56
excuses are like armpits, everyone has 2 and most STINK! how do you know about this slick handlers if you cant make it to a hunt?

all you do is sit on this board and run people down. what was your excuse for not showing at the WC, you obviously think your dogs are better, you publically said so yourself

This is one of the things I meant when I said "SLICK" handlers. jwebb
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I have heard there have been some that made GRNTCH w/o ever going to a hunt. LOL! I think they probably meant the handler,

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i know of a hound here in albany right now that is titled with no comp hunting behind him ..... sometimes its who you know ....

I haven't run anybody down....I said and I've gotten other PM's as well about this, that some of the ones chosen could have been better choices. period. As far as not going to WC, give me your bank book, and I'll be glad to go. I'm in Northern Ohio, going to Ga. was a bit of a haul. I have the calendar marked for events far away from home and this one just didn't fit. I could have told my daughter she can't go to North Carolina for Youth Nationals, which would have allowed me to go to Ga. If having to make a choice, what would you have done? I chose to take her in July instead. Maybe you're loaded, I'm not. That's the reason we didn't go to Ga. What was yours?

Posted by jwebb on 01-28-2007 08:17 PM:

im a blue dog man but i also have 2 walkers , i like the blue dogs and thats what i have faith in , to me ya got to have faith in what your hunting weather it walkers or b&ts .... i have faith in my blues and will continue to hunt them .... walkers are a very strong breed and doing very well in the hunts , they do get hooked up fast but thats just not my style of hunting ... but i can say this i have seen more coons with blues than i have walkers , but there is some reason walkers are in the winners circle ....

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Posted by rance56 on 01-28-2007 08:23 PM:

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Originally posted by redneck_girl
This is one of the things I meant when I said "SLICK" handlers. jwebb
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I have heard there have been some that made GRNTCH w/o ever going to a hunt. LOL! I think they probably meant the handler,

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i know of a hound here in albany right now that is titled with no comp hunting behind him ..... sometimes its who you know ....

I haven't run anybody down....I said and I've gotten other PM's as well about this, that some of the ones chosen could have been better choices. period. As far as not going to WC, give me your bank book, and I'll be glad to go. I'm in Northern Ohio, going to Ga. was a bit of a haul. I have the calendar marked for events far away from home and this one just didn't fit. I could have told my daughter she can't go to North Carolina for Youth Nationals, which would have allowed me to go to Ga. If having to make a choice, what would you have done? I chose to take her in July instead. Maybe you're loaded, I'm not. That's the reason we didn't go to Ga. What was yours?

first off, slick handling is not the same as using dog A to finish out dog B, again, go to a hunt and maybe you would know the difference. they arent even close to being on in the same level.

again-more excuses why you dont do something? see the pattern?

as to why i wasnt there this year. i jsut bought my first house, moved to florida, and working 6 days a week to replenish my bank account. but instead of having sour grapes and bad mouthing the winners, i sent my male dog that is running the state race in florida to georiga, where he got in friday and sat night at two $50 pkc hunts.

btw, been there done that, high scoring blue female 2005 WC

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