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I coon hunted as a kid and my son loves it so we are going to get a dog. I hunted Black and Tans as a kid and we hunt with my neighbor and he also has a b/t. However, I noticed looking at all of the hunt results you hardly ever see a B/T in the winners circle for nite hunts, show yes. Why is this is it strickly anumbers game and the majority comp hunt walkers and blueticks. Just wondering. Thanks

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there are more walkers and blueticks than anything else--more walkers thatn the two--- i hunt walkers, but have hunted with some good black and tans--

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I think walkers start earlier, in general, than b and ts. In general.

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I think that it is a numbers game. When you look at the percentages of the breeds hunted, it's easy to see why black and tans appear less frequently than other breeds in winnings and placements. Don't let this stop you, though. This also means that if you have a black and tan that turns out to be a jam up dog, you could really cause a stir in the world of black and tans! Easier to make a name for yourself among the breed when there aren't as many dogs of that breed that place.

Check out this previous thread:

http://forums.ukcdogs.com/showthrea...threadid=130664

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Why are there so many walkers?

Most likely because they have been bred to put points on a scorecard.

Of all the breeds, the walkers had men who bred a dog to compete on a scorecard early on.

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I don't believe walkers win more because there are more of them. I believe there are so many walkers because they win so much. The cream always rises to the the top.

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I don't believe walkers win more because there are more of them. I believe there are so many walkers because they win so much. The cream always rises to the the top.

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I kinda see it both ways. If walkers werent a better dog you wouldnt see them winning the world every year. Hands down if you have bad @ss dog he should be in the world hunt and walkers dominate the world hunt. However i do see it the way that if there was a lot more people hunting dogs other then walkers then they would probably win but the key is getting the dogs in the woods. An awesome litter of walkers usually all get distributed to hunters and a good litter of say Redbones might have two or three get in competition hunters and the rest might be house pets. Anyways JMO and also i dont hunt walkers right now!

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does any one remember last fall, ukc world hunt, going on from the zones there were a lot of those off colored dogs, except a plott, talk was going on here blacks are king, year of the blue, english power. after one night at the world hunt, there was only one blue dog left, the rest? you guessed it. ( it may of been two nights but you get the pic ture, numbers didn't have much to do with it. )

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I'm wondering why Walkers haven't dominated the Purina
Points lately? 2006 top ten purina dogs shows only 1 Walker
and there were 3 English, 2 Blueticks, 2 Redbones, 1 Plott
and 1 Black and Tan. I would think Walkers should hold at
least 5 spots if not 7 or 8.

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I'm wondering why Walkers haven't dominated the Purina
Points lately? 2006 top ten purina dogs shows only 1 Walker
and there were 3 English, 2 Blueticks, 2 Redbones, 1 Plott
and 1 Black and Tan. I would think Walkers should hold at
least 5 spots if not 7 or 8.

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Well, you're saying that more people hunt walkers because they win more than other dogs. But, the reason that walkers win more than other breeds is because more people hunt them. This could go on and on, and I'm not saying that any breed is better than the other, but, obviously, you're gonna have more wins from the most numerous breed.

If you have 300 dogs in a hunt and 150 are blueticks, 125 are black and tans, and 25 are walkers, the odds are in favor of the winner being a dog other than a walker.... got me? To some degree, it is definitely about numbers.

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i think you been drinking too much water out of the creek behind the steel mill where you live...

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Which came first, the chicken or the egg? and does it matter?

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Why is it that nearly everybody that hunts something other than a walker uses the number game as an excuse for their prefered breed coming up short?

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Why is it that nearly everybody that hunts something other than a walker uses the number game as an excuse for their prefered breed coming up short?

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if it is because the walkers are better then why do we have night ch. and grand nt chs in all the breeds. if you look closely at your local hunt there is hardly ever a cast without atleast 1 maube 2 walkers. but somehow the off colered dog wins the hunt.. go figure that superwalker couldnt come out on top..now im not colorblind but at the same time im not ignorant enough to think walkers are better than the other breeds nor the other breeds better than walkers..but that it is a number game..anydog and i mean any dog can be beat on a given night..why isnt the same dogs in the top 4 every year if there so super? because numbers and luck wasnt on their side..but at the same time i do have to give credit to insane jane for making it 2 years in a row..and im not taking anything away from anydog that made it that far since they started having hunt..

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if it is because the walkers are better then why do we have night ch. and grand nt chs in all the breeds. if you look closely at your local hunt there is hardly ever a cast without atleast 1 maube 2 walkers. but somehow the off colered dog wins the hunt.. go figure that superwalker couldnt come out on top..now im not colorblind but at the same time im not ignorant enough to think walkers are better than the other breeds nor the other breeds better than walkers..but that it is a number game..anydog and i mean any dog can be beat on a given night..why isnt the same dogs in the top 4 every year if there so super? because numbers and luck wasnt on their side..but at the same time i do have to give credit to insane jane for making it 2 years in a row..and im not taking anything away from anydog that made it that far since they started having hunt..

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Ky walker man, you give walker folks a bad name. I know you all can't be that thick-headed.

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No need for hostility. What I say is my opinion. This ain't a pissin contest about what breed's better. Some of you people make it sound like other breeds don't stand a chance at placing if walkers are in the picture. It's just downright arrogant. Whether you like it or not, SOME OF THE REASON that walkers place better is because THERE ARE MORE OF THEM! Before anyone flips out and calls me a mutant, take a minute to think about it. The more dogs that you have competing, the better the chance that there is a better dog than your's.... and the more of "x" breed you have competing, the better the chance that a dog from that breed will win. If that weren't the case, and walkers always came out on top, despite the numbers, then no one would hunt anything other than walkers.

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Well this is like which came first the chicken or the egg? Yes I do hunt walkers and for a good reason, hunted them my whole life and a certain strain of them most of it. But here is my 2 cents worth.

1. Walkers became more popular because they had better people promoting them back in the 60's and 70's.

2. As a whole being meduim nosed dogs they were quicker to get a coon treed in a 2 hour hunt. (Now most of the off breds have worked hard to get their dogs to be built like and hunt like a walker.....Don't believe me look at photos of a black and tan or blue tick from 1970. They were bigger heavier and longer eared.)
This traite gave the Walker a natural advantage over the other breeds from the start.

3. The numbers of the walkers I am sure does help. However a couple years back I figured the % of breeds who had won a world title in UKC. At that time Walkers were@ 85% and the Blue dogs were at 0% and still are at 0 and they are the 2nd most popular breed. The others fell somewhere inbetween. Walkers are 84% of all coondogs and blue ticks are not 0%.

4. As a freemarket economy we know that demand is normally a product of results, good advertisement and a good product. That is how they got so popular, If Redbones won 84% of the UKC world titles you would see 10 of them hunting for every walker dog.

5. The % of world champions in PKC is even higher.

6. Are there good dogs in all breeds yes there is. The Walkers also benifit from the fact that they have a much larger gene pool to pick from.

7. Just a personal observation: But I believe as a group the Walker dog people are more competive. Where some of the other breeds are more social at the bigger hunts. Also, Walker dog people put way more stock in breeding proven winners to winners. The best walker dog in the world could not breed a female if he did not have a title. That is the truth, for better or for worse.


I hear allot of people say its just the numbers...But they never think of how those numbers got there. Heck Black and Tans are the oldest breed of coondogs. Yet not the most popular. The answer to this riddle is why are they so popular?

Two reasons, results and price. You can buy a well bred walker dog cheaper than an off color dog of the same calibur. So the walker breeders are producing a better product for a lower fee on average.

To show as an example a couple of years back I hunted the Wilber Utchman hunt in MO. The night I hunted there was 80+ blue dogs and 5 walkers. 4 of the 5 walkers placed in the hunt and the 5th was on my cast and lost to me......Just a fluke perhaps.

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they could have won we just treed there dog!!!LOL!!!

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SC Bluetick girl please answer these questions.

1. Why are Walkers more popular?

2. How did they get that way?

3. Why has no blue dog EVER won a world title?

Each breed has their own faults and so does their breeders. I couple of years ago a good friend of mine who is so blue if you cut him he would bleed blue. Brought two young blue dogs over to my farm to let them run loose. One was pretty and one was ugly. The Ugly one was a heck of a good young dog the pretty one was not worth a .22 bullet. Yet he would not hunt the ugly one cause it was "Ugly"???? Not one bluetick guy wanted it because it was ugly.

Well I never saw a good dog a bad color...

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it was a joke sorry dident mean to get your blood p up

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it was a joke sorry dident mean to get your blood p up

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