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babbling

There are alot on differrent views on this. just thought id tell about my latest dealing with this. 3 dog cast line up and cast mine and another open imediatly a bark or two the third handler makes a comment about babbling. minute is up third dog opens and is struck. it opens about ten more times then the 8 is on 5 minutes gone dogs near rd. handler 3 wants to call time the road is 3/4 mile from were dog last opened. so i insist we minus dog 3 for babbling and is. his arguement was the 8 wasnt up! Mine was that if a dog opens and doesnt show the track its a babble. but ofcourse his dog doesnt babble! The rules are the rules but what would ya'll have done? I believe it was the right call.

babbling

minus the dog

Do I understand correctly, you accepted his strike call, started the eight, and five minutes in you minus him for a babble?

The Dog should not have been minused for babbling, if the 8 catches him he is minused or if the dog quits and comes in to the cast he is minused, but otherwise they can quit tracks all night without being minused.

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minus

what the heck that's where guys make up rules as they go. you definately cant wait 5 min and than minus for babbling. well I guess you can! LOL

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
The Dog should not have been minused for babbling, if the 8 catches him he is minused or if the dog quits and comes in to the cast he is minused, but otherwise they can quit tracks all night without being minused.

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Absolutley cannot minus the dog for babbling. He was struck on or before the 3rd bark and the rules say when that happens you run the 8 until dog opens again. Who was judging???? You can't put the 8 on someone's dog, then back up and say that same dog was babbling. Other than the fact that dogs barked a few times while leaving, what evidence do you have to determine he babbled vs being tight on track?

On the outside looking in, it appears that possibly the handler struck in was concerned about getting strike minus, so he wanted interference on the road 3/4 mile deep.

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No the rules say the dog must show the track. the eight might never got the dog because of time out. ind i dont care who you are if a dog opens like its hot and shuts up for even 4-500 yrds im gonna call babbleeven if the eight didnt get him and no way im lettn 3/4 of a mile slide. read the rules how does a dog show a track without opening?

Babbling is to be minused if dog opens three times after the minute and is not struck OR if dog opens were no track is evident. -ukc
and its EVIDENT there was no track. and to anser who was judging it was a non hunting judge and when i showed the rule on the card the dog was minused

A lot of smart dogs will open up on a hot running coon and shut up and push the coon. About the only time I bring up babbling is when one never shuts up. Who are we as humans to say there isn't a track. When was the last time you guys smelt a coon?

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
The Dog should not have been minused for babbling, if the 8 catches him he is minused or if the dog quits and comes in to the cast he is minused, but otherwise they can quit tracks all night without being minused.

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Originally posted by CHEWBACH
what the heck that's where guys make up rules as they go. you definately cant wait 5 min and than minus for babbling. well I guess you can! LOL

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My goodness. The no time limit dont mean that. Crap. It means. You can get em anytime for babbling. You have to do it then though. Not after the fact like 5 min into the 8. Oh me!!!

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Just because the eight is on doesnt mean the dog didnt babble the eight has to be applied if the dog would have picked the track up opened then no minus but the dog didnt even try. now i know what the tog did it did it again two dumps later the handler ever comented on the way the dogs mouth sounded but the dog moved 3/4 of a mile so it did not show a track it just ran down the creek. the reason the dog was minused at five minutes is because the handler wanted to call time out to deleate the strike.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JmillerFL
A lot of smart dogs will open up on a hot running coon and shut up and push the coon. About the only time I bring up babbling is when one never shuts up. Who are we as humans to say there isn't a track. When was the last time you guys smelt a coon? [/QUOTE
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Did said dog win the hunt?

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Originally posted by rthompson
nobody made up this rule its in the book there is no time limit on the babble

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Originally posted by rthompson
Just because the eight is on doesnt mean the dog didnt babble the eight has to be applied if the dog would have picked the track up opened then no minus but the dog didnt even try. now i know what the tog did it did it again two dumps later the handler ever comented on the way the dogs mouth sounded but the dog moved 3/4 of a mile so it did not show a track it just ran down the creek. the reason the dog was minused at five minutes is because the handler wanted to call time out to deleate the strike.

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Im reminding u there was a non hunting judge

The deffinition of babbling is on page 61 look it up opening were no track is evident the dog never even treed there was no coon. and ive been involved in calls like this before they were questioned and stuck. rule 4b &4c are two different things and if the dog is determined to be babbling then its minus strike it was determined to be babblind.

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Originally posted by rthompson
Im reminding u there was a non hunting judge

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Originally posted by rthompson
The deffinition of babbling is on page 61 look it up opening were no track is evident the dog never even treed there was no coon. and ive been involved in calls like this before they were questioned and stuck.

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It sounds like in this case the dog was about to get lucky and get saved by a timeout, and someone wanted to get the dog minused.

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I would minus that in a heart beat. it would be questioned. what if dog opens right in front of you after the minute another opens deep first dog shuts up and covers other dogs track..... minus that sucker too! If the dog opens were no track is evident it is a babble how do you tell if one is evident all of these situations describe a babbli.g me too dog. imo. I want an honest dog thats just me.

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Originally posted by rthompson
Im reminding u there was a non hunting judge

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