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Posted by CHRIS SUTTON on 01-27-2007 12:19 AM:

Traps......................

Well I guess im done hunting the young dog till trapping season is over! Talked to a landowner today that ive hunted on for years and he asked me if ive been doing anygood? Told him been treeing a few and he said ole so and so have killed 23 coons so far this year on the same ground im hunting!! 220's in buckets and spring loaded snares! it would be nice if he would have told me........O by the way theres gonna be traps in there this year!! Done some more checking and theres traps about every where ive been hunting!! Ive been reading my dog books all day showing him traps and what they will do to him but he acts like he dont understand anything im talking about so he is done 4 the year........... Sorry to rant but I needed to blow some steam!! LOL

Posted by Marty Waddell on 01-27-2007 03:04 AM:

give thanks that your dog didnt find one of those 220's!!

Marty

Posted by smokin-1-mo on 01-27-2007 03:11 AM:

when i find them they go in the river............

Posted by yarddog on 01-27-2007 05:08 AM:

yea it pisses you off my female jill got a front leg caught in one the other nite i can tell you though them traps don't float and i don't think trapping season is in on management area's here in alabama

Posted by CHRIS SUTTON on 01-27-2007 07:07 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Marty Waddell
give thanks that your dog didnt find one of those 220's!!

Marty

I am very thankfull.........Would sure be a heart breaker!!

Posted by Marty Waddell on 01-27-2007 12:53 PM:

it was for me!!

Posted by C. Beyer on 01-27-2007 02:40 PM:

I found a bunch of 330's were I was huntin the other night, had no clue they were there,
Farmers just tryin to save their investments but they coulda let me know

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Posted by warrior on 01-28-2007 02:21 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by yarddog
yea it pisses you off my female jill got a front leg caught in one the other nite i can tell you though them traps don't float and i don't think trapping season is in on management area's here in alabama

yarddog,

You my friend may have just committed a felony in the state of Alabama under the hunter harrassment law (it covers trappers as well). I just checked my regs book just to make sure I was correct. Trapping season is under way in Alabama now and is legal (except during scheduled deer hunts, but then neither is coonhunting at those times) in the three WMAs closest to Lincoln; Choccolocco, Hollins and St Clair.
It is unfortunate that your dog inadvertantly encountered a foothold trap but those are the chances you take. While I sincerely hope your hound was not seriously injured you had no right or legal justification to dispose of another man's property. Remember you nor I own public lands and must willingly share the woods with others.
Yes, I am a trapper (NWO) and a coonhunter so I feel that I must defend both sides of this issue. If the trapper is in full compliance with the law then he will always have my support and I will come down on anyone who interferes with his livelihood even if it is one of my own and the inverse is true as well.
Question? What sort of foothold was it? In Alabama no traps larger than a #3 foothold (6" jaw spread max) or a 110 body grip (5" jaw spread max) are allowed on dry ground nor are any sort of pole sets allowed. Anything larger must be submerged under water.
BTW I have been dinged by both #3s and 110s. While not something I really recommend I do not consider either of these traps particularly dangerous to man or hound.

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Posted by CountryMile on 01-28-2007 02:44 AM:

You guys messing with legally set traps are breaking the law plain and simple. You just may fall in the "slob hunter" catagory. I dont like body grip traps set on the ground as much as the next guy but you make all houndsmen look bad when you break the law. Reread what I said about LEGALLY set traps. Dave

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Posted by cj. on 01-28-2007 04:06 AM:

I am a trapper and a houndsmen... I only use footholds , reason being i can let go unwanted critters. In michigan, a legal foothold will not hurt a dog, maybe give it a limp for little while, but if its a legal trap it shouldnt hurt it. I had a dog caught in someones coyote set on state land once, I got my dog out, and left the trap there, also tried to conceal it so noone else who wandered by seen it. Dog walked funny for a few minutes, then was fine. I dont care for conibears myself, but ruining someones set, or stealing their traps, is ALMOST as bad as stealing ones hound. YOu just dont do it, and can hardly call yourself a sportsman.

Posted by BlueJohn on 01-28-2007 04:18 AM:

I gotta agree with Warrior and CountryMile. I've been a trapper and a houndsman for many years. No trapper wants to catch your dog. It is a PITA and doesn't pay a cent. It takes time and costs money to buy, dye, de-scent, and otherwise prepare traps for use. It takes time and effort to make a good set. To waste all of that by catching something other than what you intended is a shame, so responsible trappers try to set in ways and locations that won't catch cats, dogs, crows, etc.

A leghold trap that breaks a bone in a fox or coon when it closes will allow the animal to twist out. The largest leghold I've ever used was a #2 for coyotes. I've had a hound of mine step in a #2. No permanent harm done. Just a tender foot for a day or so.

Most states don't allow body hold traps outside of a water set. If somebody is setting them outside of a water set that's unethical and probably illegal. It's just plain not smart besides.

Traps usually have to be labeled with the trapper's name and address, or brand. If somebody is setting illegal traps in your area this makes them easily traceable. Turn 'em in. Otherwise, leave those traps alone.

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Posted by JustinM on 01-28-2007 04:29 AM:

I have seen a cocker spanial get his leg in a leg hold (6in diameter) he just yelped once then was released and acted like it didnt faze him.... i was just wondering though when a leghold is set on a drowner (such as a slider drowner) do you guys think there are much of a chance of a dog getting in the trap then jumping trying to get lose and sliding down the cable and drowning?

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Posted by smokin-1-mo on 01-28-2007 04:39 AM:

if you are a coonhunter true blue why would you want to trap out your coon...........i know you catch fox,beaver and on and on.....i dont see the sport in it and the hides are not worth that much unless you have a pile of them.........i wish you couldnt get a dollar for a coon ...when they where worth 35 to40 dollars i could understand it but 7 to 10 ..........no

one more ?? if its for the money do you shot 2 and 3 coon out of the same tree as well..........

Posted by yarddog on 01-28-2007 04:59 AM:

sorry that when my dog got caught i got mad and acted in a way to protect her from harm again it was not like it was way back in the woods it was right off the road in a camp site out of the waterthe game warden said that it was illegaly set had no #s on itbut did say i should have left it alone and showed to him because he said you have to have your trappers # on them and it should not be in a location where pets and people is in dangerthat's what he said and ( he's the law) not warrior

Posted by cj. on 01-28-2007 05:00 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by JustinM
I have seen a cocker spanial get his leg in a leg hold (6in diameter) he just yelped once then was released and acted like it didnt faze him.... i was just wondering though when a leghold is set on a drowner (such as a slider drowner) do you guys think there are much of a chance of a dog getting in the trap then jumping trying to get lose and sliding down the cable and drowning?

Well, first it would definately depend on how deep the water is. Obviously right?. Also , most stakes that are set up for coon or mink/muskrat on drowner sets, a decent sized dog might be able to pull out.

Posted by BlueJohn on 01-28-2007 06:41 AM:

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"if you are a coonhunter true blue why would you want to trap out your coon.(?)"

Where I was trapping you could run a trap line from a boat and never touch non-government land, but to get there by land you'd have to be crossing nothing but private property, mostly corporate owned and posted. No good for dog hunting. We took the dogs to the woods around cornfields on land owned by relatives. I never trapped there, never would.

I will say that if you find an illegal or dangerous (stupid) trap set somewhere, call a game warden and show it to them. Even if it's not marked they can usually find who set it one way or another and either ticket 'em or just educate 'em. You'll not only be doing all hound hunters a favor, you'll be doing legitimate, sensible trappers a favor likewise.

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Posted by JustinM on 01-28-2007 04:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by cj.
Well, first it would definately depend on how deep the water is. Obviously right?. Also , most stakes that are set up for coon or mink/muskrat on drowner sets, a decent sized dog might be able to pull out.

sorry cj i actually was meaning more along the line of a drowner on a beaver set and the depth of the water can be fairly deep at times I have trapped some and still do but I always try to do it where there are no chances of catching any off game....reason for my question is though I hunt were people are not so careful and was wondering how you guys thought on this type of rig and turning dogs loose near by

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Posted by CHRIS SUTTON on 01-28-2007 06:10 PM:

I would love to see a Them outlaw every kind of trap except box traps. That way if you trap a non target (house cat, dogs ect.)you can release with no harm done!! Im not judging anyone but as a hound hunter there is no way I could ever set a TRAP that could kill another mans dog. Should be the law everywhere that you have to put out trapline signs where ever you trap so I have a choice if I want to turn my dog loose there!! With out me knowing traps are there.......YOU sign my dogs death warrant! Go ahead and tell me how wrong I am..........

Posted by sbcjk on 01-28-2007 07:01 PM:

there are traps everywhere around here Chris, snares and 220's in buckets too. The signs are a good idea but I don't think it will ever happen. Did that pup do anything? Steve

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Posted by warrior on 01-28-2007 09:03 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by CHRIS SUTTON
I would love to see a Them outlaw every kind of trap except box traps. That way if you trap a non target (house cat, dogs ect.)you can release with no harm done!! Im not judging anyone but as a hound hunter there is no way I could ever set a TRAP that could kill another mans dog. Should be the law everywhere that you have to put out trapline signs where ever you trap so I have a choice if I want to turn my dog loose there!! With out me knowing traps are there.......YOU sign my dogs death warrant! Go ahead and tell me how wrong I am..........

Might as well post a sign saying "free fur for the taking". Why not post a sign stating when and where you are going to be turning the dog out, "free coonhound for the taking".
First any ethical trapper would be be sickened at the thought of catching or even harming someone's dog or pet and set their traps accordingly.
I am not a fur catcher but a nuisance wildlife trapper and I can and have set traps on the ground in the heart of subdivisions and never had a real problem with cats or dogs. Albeit I mainly use livetraps and have caught a total of one dog and three cats. This is compared to over 50+ coon, opossum, armadillos and an untold number of squirrels.
Proper trap placement combined with bait selection will eliminate your bycatch. This has even held true even when coyotes were the target species and both footholds and live traps were used.
I wonder at these folks who have no knowledge of traps placed on the land they are hunting. Either they are hunting public land where they do not know who they are sharing the woods with or they are not in full communication with the landowner. The only other option is that the traps have been placed illegally by a trespasser. Personally I don't like to hunt a piece of property that I don't know intimately. At nitehunts I just have to trust the guide on that score.
I just have never thought of traps and trapping as a major problem down here in my neck of the woods. We really do not have a large number of fur trappers down here in the south. Maybe it is more of a problem up north with the recent rise in fur prices. What I do see is more people into trapping that do not have a long term background in trapping. It seems that most of the oldtime good trappers got out when the prices fell and either have not returned to the trade and/or have not mentored the current crop of fur trappers. I see quite a few fellows in the trade who have zero background in trapping and very little real knowledge in the use of traps and trapping. It is these guys that worry me, they are often the ones that shortcut and use dangerous methods.
One trap that I am not fond of is the modern locking snare. While they are effective, their placement and use can be very non selective. This has become the trap of choice among many hobbiest trappers, mainly due to the fact that one can purchase a dozen snares for the price of one or two good footholds. Not to mention that those same dozen snares can fit in a jeans pocket as compared to a pack basket full of footholds. Of all the bad sets that I have come across snares predominate.
To answer the question on drowner sets for beaver. Bad news for a hound, if it can hold down a 50lb beaver it can take down a hound. Of course we all know what a 220 or 330 set in a lodge or slide could do to a dog. Beaver trapping is the only thing that really concerns me in regards to dogs. I am fully cogniscent of what could happen and that is why it is our standard policy to not only fully inform the landowner of the risks we also urge the landowner to make all who need to know aware as well. I would advise any dog owner to be very careful around any waterways that are being targeted for beaver. Most sets for beaver are going to out of the way but we all know that coon do go to water and there are a couple sets that will draw a curious dog in.

Posted by Marty Waddell on 01-28-2007 09:12 PM:

good post and I agree. But with the rise of fur prices and the cheap snares or even conibears that do not need tended every day there is a huge danger to OUR dogs. Last year the best dog I ever owned was killed in a conibear. at the court hearing the guy showed where he had snares or coni's set. he had them in every decent trail or drainage between two parcels of land. One I had permission on the other I did not. guess which fence line the traps were all in? I'm sorry but any conibear over the size of a 110 should NOT be allowed on land, PERIOD.

Marty

Posted by CHRIS SUTTON on 01-28-2007 09:41 PM:

Worrior, Lets see if this makes scence to you............ lets say your the trapper and im the houndsman, The setting is state owned ground that we both have permision to hunt and trap. If would you put your traps in there if there was a sign that said " I will steal every trap I find in here"? Maybe maybe not........But if you did and They were stolen atleast you had a choice. Just because you put a sign out that says trapline does not mean someone would steal your fur or traps. I know when I turn my dog loose anywhere there is a chance of him being stolen but I choose to take that chance. If I knew there was killer traps set I would atleast have a choice to turn loose or not!! If you took your kids to the state lake and there was a sign that said trapline would you let your kids play over there?? If there wasnt a sign and your kid got cought in a trap would you be fighten mad?? Im not saying trapping is wrong im just asking for a warning.....THATS ALL

Posted by smokin-1-mo on 01-28-2007 09:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by CountryMile
You guys messing with legally set traps are breaking the law plain and simple. You just may fall in the "slob hunter" catagory. I dont like body grip traps set on the ground as much as the next guy but you make all houndsmen look bad when you break the law. Reread what I said about LEGALLY set traps. Dave

dave what does that make a guy who shots a coon once in awhile in the summer...........

Posted by warrior on 01-28-2007 10:15 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by CHRIS SUTTON
Worrior, Lets see if this makes scence to you............ lets say your the trapper and im the houndsman, The setting is state owned ground that we both have permision to hunt and trap. If would you put your traps in there if there was a sign that said " I will steal every trap I find in here"? Maybe maybe not........But if you did and They were stolen atleast you had a choice. Just because you put a sign out that says trapline does not mean someone would steal your fur or traps. I know when I turn my dog loose anywhere there is a chance of him being stolen but I choose to take that chance. If I knew there was killer traps set I would atleast have a choice to turn loose or not!! If you took your kids to the state lake and there was a sign that said trapline would you let your kids play over there?? If there wasnt a sign and your kid got cought in a trap would you be fighten mad?? Im not saying trapping is wrong im just asking for a warning.....THATS ALL

I agree a warning would be nice but shouldn't we as hound owners also accept the fact that we assume some risk every time we cut loose. I know the risks associated with cutting loose next to a highway. I also know and fully understand that public lands are just that, open to all comers. The only solution that I can think of is to make all users of public land check in with the agent in charge and state their business prior to using the land.
Down here we don't have a huge number of trappers to worry about but God have mercy on your poor hound should he not be out of the woods come daylight. These deerhunters down here will gladly sign the death certificate of any dog found in the woods.

Posted by CountryMile on 01-28-2007 10:27 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by smokin-1-mo
dave what does that make a guy who shots a coon once in awhile in the summer...........

Illegal,poacher,slob hunter I dont know many things. I do it under the nuisance provisions provided by my state authorities. Less wrong might be a way of looking at these two examples. A guy shoots a coon out once in awhile may be "less" wrong than the guy outright stealing a trappers property. You steal your neighbors air wrench from his shop and sell it in the next town over, or borrow his air wrench with his permision and forget to take it back to him for several months. All these examples the person is wrong,sometimes we are just more wrong than others lol. Dave

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