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Posted by Russell Boyette on 10-02-2006 06:46 PM:

House's Lipper semen?

Is anyone getting any pups from the Lipper semen. The last few men ive talked with that bought it didnt get any pups.

On a side note, why do you think there havent been the quality pups from the semen as there were when Lipper was living? Are the right females not being bred to it or what?

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Posted by Hokieman on 10-02-2006 07:23 PM:

QUESTIONS

1. WHAT WAS LIPPER'S SPERM COUNT WHEN SEMEN WAS DRAWN ?

2. HOW WAS THE PROCEDURE DONE ( WAS THE DEAD SPERM TAKEN OUT BEFORE FROZEN ).

3. WHAT WAS THE QUALTY OF THE SPERM ? ( GOOD, FAIR, AVG )

4. WAS IT WATERED DOWN TO PRODUCE MORE STRAWS ?

I COULD GO ON AND ON. SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT...

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Posted by Russell Boyette on 10-02-2006 09:23 PM:

Those are all very well possible. I believe Doyen Crites told me that Once Frozen said that they needed 3 straws to do a breeding of it. So it may very well be watered down.

I just cant figure why no top pups have been born out of the semen. Some reproducing females have been bred to it, but very few to none of the pups are showing up at the Super Stakes, Futurity.

I just believe that it is today's females, because Lipper seemed to cross average to above average on all bloodlines.

Could it be that the pups are priced so high that they are not getting to the men who are great pup trainers?

Posted by walkercash on 10-02-2006 09:43 PM:

How old are the pups? I havent heard anything about any Lipper Semen pups.

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Posted by Hokieman on 10-02-2006 09:45 PM:

THAT COULD VERY WELL BE THE REASON. I KNOW A MAN NOW THAT HAS 1YR OLDS TO 2 YR OLDS THAT ISN'T DOING ANYTHING WITH THEM.

Posted by Russell Boyette on 10-02-2006 09:46 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by walkercash
How old are the pups? I havent heard anything about any Lipper Semen pups.

Gosh, i would imagine Lipper's Stylish Cade, and TJ's Stylish Lipper are at least 5-6 years old now. I dont know if any are older than that or not.

Posted by Copenhagen on 10-02-2006 09:53 PM:

IT APPEARS TO ME THE LIPPER-SICLE PUPS HAVE ALOT MORE IN COMMON WITH HOPKINS CASH THAN OLD LIPPER. I WONDER WHAT THE RESULTS WOULD BE IF THE LIPPER-SICLE PUPS WERE DNA PROFILED TO HOPKIN'S CASH? I BET THEY ARE MORE CLOSELY RELATED THAN MOST THINK.

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Posted by Hokieman on 10-02-2006 09:56 PM:

I GUESS TO GET AN IDEAL OF WHAT HAS BEEN PRODUCED BY THOSE STUDS YOU WOULD NEED TO GET A LITTER REPORT FROM UKC TO SEE HOW MANY HAS BEEN REGISTERED...

Posted by Hokieman on 10-02-2006 09:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Copenhagen
IT APPEARS TO ME THE LIPPER-SICLE PUPS HAVE ALOT MORE IN COMMON WITH HOPKINS CASH THAN OLD LIPPER. I WONDER WHAT THE RESULTS WOULD BE IF THE LIPPER-SICLE PUPS WERE DNA PROFILED TO HOPKIN'S CASH? I BET THEY ARE MORE CLOSELY RELATED THAN MOST THINK.

HMMM VERY INTERESTING TO THINK MAYBE SEMEN WAS DRAWN OFF OF ANOTHER STUD THEN LIPPER'S NAME WAS ADDED...

Posted by walkercash on 10-02-2006 10:01 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Russell Boyette
Gosh, i would imagine Lipper's Stylish Cade, and TJ's Stylish Lipper are at least 5-6 years old now. I dont know if any are older than that or not.

I didnt know they were off the semen had no idea how old they are. Thanks

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Posted by Copenhagen on 10-02-2006 10:01 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hokieman
HMMM VERY INTERESTING TO THINK MAYBE SEMEN WAS DRAWN OFF OF ANOTHER STUD THEN LIPPER'S NAME WAS ADDED...

YOU SAID IT, I DIDNT! DIDNT THEY KEEP LIPPERS BODY IN A REFRIGERATOR FOR SEVERAL YEARS TO HAVE HIM TAXIDERMIED, BUT THEN AFTER THE BLOOD WAS DRAWN FOR THE DNA THEY DECIDED NOT TO AND HAD HIM BURIED? I BELIEVE MONEY WAS OFFERED AT ONE TIME TO HAVE LIPPER DUG UP AND PROFILED TO THESE PUPS, BUT NOTHING EVER CAME OF IT.

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Posted by Hiphop on 10-02-2006 10:14 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Copenhagen
YOU SAID IT, I DIDNT! DIDNT THEY KEEP LIPPERS BODY IN A REFRIGERATOR FOR SEVERAL YEARS TO HAVE HIM TAXIDERMIED, BUT THEN AFTER THE BLOOD WAS DRAWN FOR THE DNA THEY DECIDED NOT TO AND HAD HIM BURIED? I BELIEVE MONEY WAS OFFERED AT ONE TIME TO HAVE LIPPER DUG UP AND PROFILED TO THESE PUPS, BUT NOTHING EVER CAME OF IT.

That sounds like this weeks episode of CSI.

Posted by Russell Boyette on 10-03-2006 02:29 AM:

Does anyone have any Lipper semen pups on the ground?

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 10-03-2006 03:04 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Russell Boyette
Those are all very well possible. I believe Doyen Crites told me that Once Frozen said that they needed 3 straws to do a breeding of it. So it may very well be watered down.

I just cant figure why no top pups have been born out of the semen. Some reproducing females have been bred to it, but very few to none of the pups are showing up at the Super Stakes, Futurity.

I just believe that it is today's females, because Lipper seemed to cross average to above average on all bloodlines.

Could it be that the pups are priced so high that they are not getting to the men who are great pup trainers?

why would it take 3 straws to get one 1 sprem home

Posted by Nonamekiller on 10-03-2006 03:39 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by blueticking: it
why would it take 3 straws to get one 1 sprem home

lol good point

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Posted by english power on 10-03-2006 05:12 AM:

The semen pups turn out at about the same rate as the ones he sired while alive. 7% make nite champion, 93% don't make it.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 10-03-2006 09:09 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Russell Boyette
Does anyone have any Lipper semen pups on the ground?

I'm pretty sure a guy up here had about 12 semen pups a year or so ago.I think they have the same dam as my rat gyp.I've heard nothing about the pups.Ican give you his number if you want it.

Posted by John D on 10-03-2006 02:24 PM:

quote:
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why would it take 3 straws to get one 1 sprem home

I'm no expert, but its pretty well proven that it takes thousands and thousands of healthy sperm to ensure one egg gets fertilized.

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Posted by Bryan Davis on 10-03-2006 07:05 PM:

Friend of mine had two pups out of Lipper semen and they are 5 months old now. He was hoping to get more, but happy with the two.

He bred the same grand nite female to Cade the time before with exceptional results. The one female out of that cross made it to the top ten this past weekend at the futurity. I have hunted with others from that litter and are making nice hounds.

Hope this helps for those of you wanting to know about pups out of Lippers semen. I know of two here in Missouri. (both females)

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Posted by zapper on 10-12-2006 06:25 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
I'm pretty sure a guy up here had about 12 semen pups a year or so ago.I think they have the same dam as my rat gyp.I've heard nothing about the pups.Ican give you his number if you want it.

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Posted by Dan Dogs on 10-12-2006 06:40 PM:

it takes

less straws if you have it done surgically then artificial breeding and the conception rate is better!!jmo from what my vet has told me.

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Posted by zapper on 10-12-2006 06:48 PM:

houses lipper semen

quote:
Originally posted by Copenhagen
YOU SAID IT, I DIDNT! DIDNT THEY KEEP LIPPERS BODY IN A REFRIGERATOR FOR SEVERAL YEARS TO HAVE HIM TAXIDERMIED, BUT THEN AFTER THE BLOOD WAS DRAWN FOR THE DNA THEY DECIDED NOT TO AND HAD HIM BURIED? I BELIEVE MONEY WAS OFFERED AT ONE TIME TO HAVE LIPPER DUG UP AND PROFILED TO THESE PUPS, BUT NOTHING EVER CAME OF IT.

AFTER LIPPERS DEATH DEC. 26TH 1995 HE WAS PUT IN A FREEZER AND LATER UNTHAWED AND SWABBED IN THE PRESENCE OF MAC McCALLISTER AND JOE HOUSE.LIPPER WAS THEN DNA PROFILED.THIS DNA IS A MATCH TO DOGS HE SIRED WHILE LIVING AND SEMEN DOGS!

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Posted by zapper on 10-12-2006 07:08 PM:

Re: House's Lipper semen?

quote:
Originally posted by Russell Boyette
Is anyone getting any pups from the Lipper semen. The last few men ive talked with that bought it didnt get any pups.

On a side note, why do you think there havent been the quality pups from the semen as there were when Lipper was living? Are the right females not being bred to it or what?

I HAVE TWO GIPS AT A CANINE BREEDING FACILITY BEING BRED TO LIPPER SEMEN .IT TAKES A WELL BRED PROVEN REPRODUCING FEMALE BRED TO A REPRODUCING STUD DOG TO GET ANY NUMBER OF QUALITY PUPS. A LARGE PERCENTAGE RELIES ON THE FEMALE!!! THIS IS A PROVEN FACT!!!

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Posted by zapper on 10-12-2006 07:13 PM:

Re: it takes

quote:
Originally posted by Dan Dogs
less straws if you have it done surgically then artificial breeding and the conception rate is better!!jmo from what my vet has told me.

I AM USING TWO STRAWS SURGICALLY!WISH ME LUCK!

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Posted by Russell Boyette on 10-12-2006 07:18 PM:

Re: Re: House's Lipper semen?

quote:
Originally posted by zapper
I HAVE TWO GIPS AT A CANINE BREEDING FACILITY BEING BRED TO LIPPER SEMEN .IT TAKES A WELL BRED PROVEN REPRODUCING FEMALE BRED TO A REPRODUCING STUD DOG TO GET ANY NUMBER OF QUALITY PUPS. A LARGE PERCENTAGE RELIES ON THE FEMALE!!! THIS IS A PROVEN FACT!!!

Lipper seemed to throw nice pups off any female when he was in his breeding prime. Im not reccomending breeding a sorry female, but there is a difference in the quality pups from Lipper and Lipper semen. I personally believe the pup are too expensive to get to capable pup men. But thats just my opinion.

Good luck on getting pups! I've seen men spend alot of $$$ on breeding to this Lipper semen, and not get the first pup. It seems to be a crap shoot

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