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Posted by Bruce Conkey on 09-30-2006 03:43 PM:

A good reason not to hunt a Walker!!

In the AKC world hunt they were able to name the breed world champions two days ago. The Walker guys have to wait till tonight to find out who the top dog is. So if your inpatient then hunting an off colored dog may be something you should look into.

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Posted by nitechamp bud on 09-30-2006 03:49 PM:

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Posted by jerry chapman on 09-30-2006 03:49 PM:

gee i wonder what this post will lead to............

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Posted by HOBO on 09-30-2006 04:25 PM:

I'm glad to see its you stirring the pot and getten in trouble this time and not me.

They get a lil touchy when I try to stir the pot.

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Posted by Tracey Jones on 09-30-2006 05:05 PM:

You are correct...

I'm a die hard Plott man. I don't always appreciate the attitude that seems to be behind some posts like this but the truth represented is still true. Walkers are the dominate breed and their success is undeniable in the Nite hunts.

In fact I do appreciate posts like this one to a certain degree for one main reason: Hopefully it will fuel the flame in other non-Walkers breeds to step it up a notch. When a Walker man goes to a large hunt (Autumn Oaks, the World, etc.) he knows that he probably has to win the whole hunt to get his breed trophy. Non-Walker breed hunters know they can often get their breed trophy just by winning a cast and sometimes (especially Plotts hunters) can get their breed trophy by just showing up. I believe the high level of competiton within the Walker breed helps them to excel at the Nite hunts.

I can't speak for all Plott hunters and truthfully many of them have done more with their dogs than I may ever do. However, we must be willing to admit that our breed is a laughing stock to many in the Nite hunt circles. Instead of crying, whinning, or making % excuses, etc. I think we should allow the ridicule of others to stir us to do better as a breed.

So thanks for the criticism - we need it!

The one thing each of you should consider though is this: While you are criticizing non-Walker breeds you might look to see if one of your Walkers is winning the big ones. If not your dog isnt doing any better than my Plott.

Respectfully,

Tracey Jones

Posted by walkercash on 09-30-2006 05:13 PM:

Re: You are correct...

quote:
Originally posted by Tracey Jones
I'm a die hard Plott man. I don't always appreciate the attitude that seems to be behind some posts like this but the truth represented is still true. Walkers are the dominate breed and their success is undeniable in the Nite hunts.

In fact I do appreciate posts like this one to a certain degree for one main reason: Hopefully it will fuel the flame in other non-Walkers breeds to step it up a notch. When a Walker man goes to a large hunt (Autumn Oaks, the World, etc.) he knows that he probably has to win the whole hunt to get his breed trophy. Non-Walker breed hunters know they can often get their breed trophy just by winning a cast and sometimes (especially Plotts hunters) can get their breed trophy by just showing up. I believe the high level of competiton within the Walker breed helps them to excel at the Nite hunts.

I can't speak for all Plott hunters and truthfully many of them have done more with their dogs than I may ever do. However, we must be willing to admit that our breed is a laughing stock to many in the Nite hunt circles. Instead of crying, whinning, or making % excuses, etc. I think we should allow the ridicule of others to stir us to do better as a breed.

So thanks for the criticism - we need it!

The one thing each of you should consider though is this: While you are criticizing non-Walker breeds you might look to see if one of your Walkers is winning the big ones. If not your dog isnt doing any better than my Plott.

Respectfully,

Tracey Jones

Wow good post man, very wel said.

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Posted by Richard Nethery on 09-30-2006 05:20 PM:

Walkers,

LOVE UM!! Give um Hell you good OLE TREEING WALKERS!!!!
I just gotta type that every once and a while, get excited I guess. LOL

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Posted by Dan Dogs on 09-30-2006 05:58 PM:

yep

a mediocore walker is no better than a above average plott!!LOL just kidding tracey!!!!! good post

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Posted by ronald schultz on 09-30-2006 06:05 PM:

why nis it walkers got the first name in coonhound breeds????

treeing walkers !!! yes sir, very descriptive name!!!!!! treeing plotts--nope ????treeing blueticks---nope???? treeing english--nope???? treeing black and tans---- nope????? treeing red bones----nope???? =====treeing red bones?!?!?!?!??! that just sounds dirty to me !!!!where's the moderators!??!?!

Posted by ringtail on 09-30-2006 10:19 PM:

Re: why nis it walkers got the first name in coonhound breeds????

quote:
Originally posted by ronald schultz
treeing walkers !!! yes sir, very descriptive name!!!!!! treeing plotts--nope ????treeing blueticks---nope???? treeing english--nope???? treeing black and tans---- nope????? treeing red bones----nope???? =====treeing red bones?!?!?!?!??! that just sounds dirty to me !!!!where's the moderators!??!?!

Ronald, I think the "treeing" in front of Walker is because in the beginning they were just plain old Fox Hounds. It wasn't until someone came up with the idea (and a bright one at that, i might add) to breed some Black and Tan in 'em. The tree comes from (outcrosses). If it weren't for the standards (color requirement), I'd say back early on the B&T owners would've been breeding to the Fox Hounds to try to get a little of the speed in their B&T's. We don't know that that is not what the intention was to start with. It just so happened that they were producing to much white on the dogs, so heck the cross is turning out tri-colored B&T's that have speed and will tree, might as well run with it, we just have to come up with a name for it. I don't know how much of that garbage is accurate, it's just a theory.

I do know for a fact that my grandaddy was a fox hunter and always had walkers. I can't remeber the formula something like 3/4 walker 1/8 b&t and 1/8 something else made the best dogs. He also said that from time to time they would get a pup that wouldn't run fox, all it would do was TREE and when they couldn't break it from coon. You know what they did with them? Yep they shot 'em.

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Posted by dualwalker on 09-30-2006 11:17 PM:

the off breeds

off breeds are for those guys who go home early for what ever reason they know there world champ because if they do get one there its usely only one and thats doing good for walkers have twenty to one in the hunts more good walkers then any other breed

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Posted by coon hunter on 10-01-2006 03:29 AM:

Dual,

I thought I would help you out and finish the statement you started. (I guess the phone rang before you were finished).

No need to thank me, it is my pleasure. Anytime I can be of assistance let me know.

quote:
Originally posted by dualwalker
walkers have twenty to one in the hunts more good walkers then any other breed

When you're right you're right..........However if you're gonna speak the truth, speak the hole truth and not just part of it.

I have not pulled out the crusty 'ole calculator and done the math so we will use you're stats, 20 to 01.

Don't forget for every positive there is an oppisite and equal negative. That tells us that not only are there twenty good walkers to one good in any other breed that means that there also twenty cull walkers to one cull in any other breed.

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Posted by swamp music on 10-01-2006 02:48 PM:

Re: why nis it walkers got the first name in coonhound breeds????

quote:
Originally posted by ronald schultz
treeing walkers !!! yes sir, very descriptive name!!!!!! treeing plotts--nope ????treeing blueticks---nope???? treeing english--nope???? treeing black and tans---- nope????? treeing red bone..nope

The reason they put treeing in front of walkers is they tree everything,..possum, bobcats,fox, crows, slick tree,chipmunks,and every once-in-awhile a coon. shoot they will tree a deer if it'll climb a tree.lol,lol,lol
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Posted by Dan Dogs on 10-01-2006 04:34 PM:

dont forget

turkeys!!!LOL

Posted by ronald schultz on 10-01-2006 04:38 PM:

we taklked about treeing turkeys last night

some guys didnt know you cant minus or scratch for treeing turkeys, but yiou can for treeing deer?!?!?!

Posted by jerry chapman on 10-01-2006 05:05 PM:

good one Ronald..believe it or not i had that question come in one night.you cant prove that the turkey did'nt fly up there after the dogs treed,but if thats the only thing in the tree and its not hollow i'd minus the (walker)dog anyway.Jk

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Posted by gfults on 10-01-2006 05:18 PM:

i dont want the word "treeing" in front of the black and tan breed name, i mean thats all treeing walkers know how to do is tree. I like it like it is for two reasons, pay attention now. American Black and Tan Coonhound. Yep just right, American at one end and Coonhound at the other end.

Posted by coondogless on 10-01-2006 06:39 PM:

Re: You are correct...

quote:
Originally posted by Tracey Jones

In fact I do appreciate posts like this one to a certain degree for one main reason: Hopefully it will fuel the flame in other non-Walkers breeds to step it up a notch.

So thanks for the criticism - we need it!

The one thing each of you should consider though is this: While you are criticizing non-Walker breeds you might look to see if one of your Walkers is winning the big ones. If not your dog isnt doing any better than my Plott.

Respectfully,

Tracey Jones

You can bet it will fuel the flame, especially when I draw Bruce and his Walker dog at a hunt. I thought we had him converted to English but I guess he does'nt like winning. LOL haha

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Posted by Tightline on 10-01-2006 06:44 PM:

Re: You are correct...

quote:
Originally posted by Tracey Jones
I'm a die hard Plott man. I don't always appreciate the attitude that seems to be behind some posts like this but the truth represented is still true. Walkers are the dominate breed and their success is undeniable in the Nite hunts.

In fact I do appreciate posts like this one to a certain degree for one main reason: Hopefully it will fuel the flame in other non-Walkers breeds to step it up a notch. When a Walker man goes to a large hunt (Autumn Oaks, the World, etc.) he knows that he probably has to win the whole hunt to get his breed trophy. Non-Walker breed hunters know they can often get their breed trophy just by winning a cast and sometimes (especially Plotts hunters) can get their breed trophy by just showing up. I believe the high level of competiton within the Walker breed helps them to excel at the Nite hunts.

I can't speak for all Plott hunters and truthfully many of them have done more with their dogs than I may ever do. However, we must be willing to admit that our breed is a laughing stock to many in the Nite hunt circles. Instead of crying, whinning, or making % excuses, etc. I think we should allow the ridicule of others to stir us to do better as a breed.

So thanks for the criticism - we need it!

The one thing each of you should consider though is this: While you are criticizing non-Walker breeds you might look to see if one of your Walkers is winning the big ones. If not your dog isnt doing any better than my Plott.

Respectfully,

Tracey Jones

sweet music to my ears, well put

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Posted by coondogless on 10-01-2006 06:45 PM:

Re: Dual,

quote:
Originally posted by coon hunter
I thought I would help you out and finish the statement you started. (I guess the phone rang before you were finished).

No need to thank me, it is my pleasure. Anytime I can be of assistance let me know.

When you're right you're right..........However if you're gonna speak the truth, speak the hole truth and not just part of it.

I have not pulled out the crusty 'ole calculator and done the math so we will use you're stats, 20 to 01.

Don't forget for every positive there is an oppisite and equal negative. That tells us that not only are there twenty good walkers to one good in any other breed that means that there also twenty cull walkers to one cull in any other breed.

THAT'S GOING TO LEAVE A MARK!
Well said.

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Posted by JayTom on 10-01-2006 07:22 PM:

Does anyone know when the last time a NON-Walker dog won the UKC world hunt??

Posted by Bruce Conkey on 10-01-2006 07:43 PM:

No but I think this happend the same night.

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Posted by JayTom on 10-02-2006 02:09 AM:

Has any breed other than a walker dog ever won the UKC world hunt?

How about the PKC World?

How about the AKC World?

Posted by Dwils on 10-02-2006 02:21 AM:

Re: A good reason not to hunt a Walker!!

quote:
Originally posted by Bruce Conkey
In the AKC world hunt they were able to name the breed world champions two days ago. The Walker guys have to wait till tonight to find out who the top dog is. So if your inpatient then hunting an off colored dog may be something you should look into.

the only reason there was soo many walkers is because everybody knows treeing walkers are the most gifted breed

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Posted by longshot on 10-02-2006 02:33 AM:

Northern buck 2 won it . I think the year was 1996. He was Black and tan

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