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Yes.

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Just remember this……….line breeding is also a form of inbreeding. As such it has as much possibility to magnify the faults as it does the strengths. Very few people have the fortitude or a sufficient knowledge of the background behind sire and dam to make good decisions in making tight genetic breedings.

Those who have been successful have undoubtedly had to make some tough decisions. My opinion is that the handful of hound breeders who have been successful in maintaining a family strain have an understanding of what they want in a hound, are hard to please and are reliant on the help of others who share their same vision.

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Just remember this……….line breeding is also a form of inbreeding. As such it has as much possibility to magnify the faults as it does the strengths. Very few people have the fortitude or a sufficient knowledge of the background behind sire and dam to make good decisions in making tight genetic breedings.

Those who have been successful have undoubtedly had to make some tough decisions. My opinion is that the handful of hound breeders who have been successful in maintaining a family strain have an understanding of what they want in a hound, are hard to please and are reliant on the help of others who share their same vision.

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Gonna throw this out there for anyone who really wants to get into the genetics of inbreeding, linebreeding, outcrossing, coefficient of inbreeding(COI) in pedigrees.

Dt Jerod Bell is a well known professor at Tufts Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine.

While not a coonhound related event, The Cardigan Welsh Corgi Club of America had him present at a national specialty show a few years ago and taped the presentation. It's on their public website and available for anyone to watch/listen to. I always encourage people in any breed of dog to look at websites of other breed clubs, AKC or UKC. The amount of knowledge available is amazing.

All forms of breeding serve a purpose but as the previous poster noted, you have to have knowledge of the lines, traits and what your goals are to do it right. Also, factoring in testing as a tool complicates things. We tend to focus on one name in a pedigree but need to also remember that the other pups in a litter also factor into what happens going forward as the good dog also carries the genetic junk of the others. Keeping tabs on all dog produced is very important down the road.

https://cardigancorgis.com/cwcca/ed...l-presentation/

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the guy on this video is talking about dogs 8 and 10 generations back affecting the dog you have now. I would think anything more than 5 generations back is really not to be considered.

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the guy on this video is talking about dogs 8 and 10 generations back affecting the dog you have now. I would think anything more than 5 generations back is really not to be considered.

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To me, pedigrees are puzzles and very fun to work through, but in the end, it's about the phyiscal dog in front of you, the knowledge of the littermates and then the what the dogs behind produced or didn't produce. We do tend to chase the "paper tiger" sometimes too much.

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Probably going to take some heat for this…….
There are people that are pedigree blind and care more about what can be seen in a 6-7 generation pedigree than what can be evidenced in the actual dog’s performance and that of its siblings, parents, grand parents, etc., that are attached to the pedigree.

Successful breeders are encompassed by a few good people whose observations of and experience with training and hunting hounds is trusted. I think most would agree that maintaining and repeatedly producing top quality hounds is not for the faint of heart.

I’m not one of them and never will be. I’ve had hounds for over 45 years. I don’t need both hands to count the “special” ones I’ve owned.

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Guy Ormiston has a book about hound breeding and the importance of ability as well as the pedigree. I recommend anyone who is thinking of becoming a breeder or wanting info on the why to's and why not's to read it entirely. He takes studies of different breeds, also different classes of working dogs. I didn't like everything I read because it pointed out the flaws in my breeding theories that had been proven to fail the test of time. It did however confirm some theories that I had and had tested previously to reading the book that did work for me. This gave more credibility, for me, to the info he was passing on.

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