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hat creek mac
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crossbred to purebred?

I asked this once before and really didn't get a straight answer.

If I breed up a 3/4 Bluetick 1/4 whatever stud dog and cross him on pure bluetick females, can the pups be registered bluetick? They would be 7/8 Bluetick which I believe is the minimum requirement.

Some have told me that the only way they can get back into the breed is to be accepted by the breed association. I would think that UKC should have the say so over this as it is their registry.

Breeders years ago often bred a little "wild blood" into their stock every few generations and just didn't say anything. I think crossing out and then coming back to pure could help in a lot of ways. Not just in performance but health related as well.

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I thought after the 3rd cross to the same breed starting with a halfblood or more you would have a single reg. Dog in that breed. If not then it sounds like the books are really closed

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Re: crossbred to purebred?

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Originally posted by hat creek mac
I asked this once before and really didn't get a straight answer.

If I breed up a 3/4 Bluetick 1/4 whatever stud dog and cross him on pure bluetick females, can the pups be registered bluetick? They would be 7/8 Bluetick which I believe is the minimum requirement.

Some have told me that the only way they can get back into the breed is to be accepted by the breed association. I would think that UKC should have the say so over this as it is their registry.

Breeders years ago often bred a little "wild blood" into their stock every few generations and just didn't say anything. I think crossing out and then coming back to pure could help in a lot of ways. Not just in performance but health related as well.

My Blues were all purebred but not UKC registered. I started Breeding my females to UKC sires in 2014 When UKC changed Single registration to X-Bred. When a Hound has 3 Generations(14 UKC hounds in it linage). You must summit a letter stating these pups qualify to be registered Bluetick Coonhound with the puppy application fee plus 30.00 for bred transfer fee. If you are interested in percentages, 80% co-efficiency.

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Re: Re: crossbred to purebred?

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My Blues were all purebred but not UKC registered. I started Breeding my females to UKC sires in 2014 When UKC changed Single registration to X-Bred. When a Hound has 3 Generations(14 UKC hounds in it linage). You must summit a letter stating these pups qualify to be registered Bluetick Coonhound with the puppy application fee plus 30.00 for bred transfer fee. If you are interested in percentages, 80% co-efficiency.


So if I read this correctly, all I have to do in my example above is send in an application (and an extra $30 fee) with my litter enrollment and my puppies that are 7/8 Bluetick will be automatically registered as Blueticks again?

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If the Bluetick Breed Association has approved it.

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If the Bluetick Breed Association has approved it.


That is the part I want clarification on. A breed association should have no say so in the matter as far as I am concerned.

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Go on the Registration dept. and ask they should be able to tell you.

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Re: Re: Re: crossbred to purebred?

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Originally posted by hat creek mac
So if I read this correctly, all I have to do in my example above is send in an application (and an extra $30 fee) with my litter enrollment and my puppies that are 7/8 Bluetick will be automatically registered as Blueticks again?
If the Hound has 14 UKC registered Blueticks 7 on top and and 7 on bottom in lt's linage it qualifies to be registered as Bluetick. BBOA is UKC chartered. Look up Todd Killam's 2014 video for clarification.

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quote:
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If the Bluetick Breed Association has approved it.
BBOA is UKC chartered. I summit the application and hand written statement, UKC does the rest.

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Go on the Registration dept. and ask they should be able to tell you.
Todd Kellam's 2014 X-Bed video explains how to qualify for re-entry to UKC Pure bred status. when I started the Registration Dept. did not have the info and told me they didn't do breed transfer. when I pointed out 8:25 on Todd's video, everything was cleared up. I now have all UKC Registered Blueticks. They are not PR Blueticks until 3 Generations(son, grandson, great grand son).

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Where can this video be found?

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Where can this video be found?
I am sure it's on the UKC website somewhere. Email Executive Vice President Todd Killam at UKC. I saved it I can forward to you if you want it. send me a text number or email.

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Todd Kellam's 2014 X-Bed video

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Re: Todd Kellam's 2014 X-Bed video

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