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my question 3 dog cast a,d,c strike in that order dog a,and c treeded..go in to score tree after the shine time is over dog d comes into tree as soon as shine time expires.no coon was seen dog a,c where minus.dog d was never declaired treed as they where still handled a,c. does dog d get strike deleted or minused

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my question 3 dog cast a,d,c strike in that order dog a,and c treeded..go in to score tree after the shine time is over dog d comes into tree as soon as shine time expires.no coon was seen dog a,c where minus.dog d was never declaired treed as they where still handled a,c. does dog d get strike deleted or minused

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what about on page 53 3e..dog that are shut out must still be decleared struck they are egiible tree points if they are decleared struck.if they are shut out on when judge arrives strike are delated ..[HERE IS THIS PART]for all other situations they are accountable for their strike points

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what about on page 53 3e..dog that are shut out must still be decleared struck they are egiible tree points if they are decleared struck.if they are shut out on when judge arrives strike are delated ..[HERE IS THIS PART]for all other situations they are accountable for their strike points

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what about on page 53 3e..dog that are shut out must still be decleared struck they are egiible tree points if they are decleared struck.if they are shut out on when judge arrives strike are delated ..[HERE IS THIS PART]for all other situations they are accountable for their strike points

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Deleted. You don't circle strike points on a dead tree

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Did the dog show treed? When and why was he handled? As soon as shine time was up or cast agreed on the scoring of the tree it becomes a previously scored tree. Dog should have been declared treed before being handled and points deleted. If the dog never showed and was never treed he should have been minuesd his strike points for quiting the track. If he came into the cast.

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If the shine time was dead and dog came into tree strike is deleted.

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Does the rule say "show treed" or just "comes into tree"? According to UKC's interpretation, tree is not scored until handled dogs are released. You may not agree with it and a lot of people don't but that is the rule.
And strike points are only deleted in UKC when dogs are trailing when hunt time expires.

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Rip copied the applicable rule and is the one that applies to the scenario. Any other "what if's" are a moot point and make no difference.


5(b) applies to any and all dogs that come in AFTER THE JUDGE ARRIVES. 5(b), 5(b), 5(b) every time, every day. THE only time the dog does not get circled is if there is a coon seen and the dogs treeing are awarded plus; as specifically noted in 5(b).

Deleted points are for scenarios outlined in 5(e) through 5(i).

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Rip copied the applicable rule and is the one that applies to the scenario. Any other "what if's" are a moot point and make no difference.


5(b) applies to any and all dogs that come in AFTER THE JUDGE ARRIVES. 5(b), 5(b), 5(b) every time, every day. THE only time the dog does not get circled is if there is a coon seen and the dogs treeing are awarded plus; as specifically noted in 5(b).

Deleted points are for scenarios outlined in 5(e) through 5(i).

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Lol. It's simply amazing that some folks CAN NOT accept the Truth or the CORRECT RULE, but instead complicate matters by trying to apply a different RULE. Folks these RULES are NOT rocket science, do not over think them. Dave

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It doesn't matter if the dog shows treed (remember all dogs at the tree MUST be leashed you can't even wait and see if he wants to tree), doesn't matter if shine time is up and the tree is dead if we are still there and the dog comes in then it catches a break and gets its strike circled. It's written very straight forward.

Did the dog get to the tree after the judge arrived and was the tree plussed. Nothing else matters.

This rule is why as soon as a tree is scored I move the cast away from the tree to listen.

Then we are not still "at" the tree and if the dog comes in then it is coming into the cast, not the tree and no arguments break out. (I move far enough away that they can't say we are still "at" the tree.)

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This rule is why as soon as a tree is scored I move the cast away from the tree to listen.

Then we are not still "at" the tree and if the dog comes in then it is coming into the cast, not the tree and no arguments break out. (I move far enough away that they can't say we are still "at" the tree.) [/B][/QUOTE]

That was the point I was making rather they were at the tree or leading away.

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That was the point I was making rather they were at the tree or leading away. [/B][/QUOTE]

The original question included the statement "dog d comes into tree as soon as shine time expires". To me this suggests they were still at the tree because shine time doesn't typically continue to run after you walk away from the tree. In fairness to your question, the poster did also state "after the tree was scored, followed by dog d comes in etc".

Yes, minute details are often important but it's because of that statement that I was referring to when stating nothing else matters. The poster would need to clarify if in fact they were not still at the tree because then it might be considered a previously scored tree and points would be deleted for Dog D.

Also, even though shine time has expired, Rule 5(b) continues to take precedence over "previously scored tree" until the cast has left the scored tree or is in the act of walking away with the scored dog(s). To clarify further; if the cast is in the act of leading dogs away, only then is 5(b) no longer relative and it does become a previously scored tree.

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thanks for all the responses.judge said shine time expires and calls for a vote while voting dog d comes in to tree

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thanks for all the responses.judge said shine time expires and calls for a vote while voting dog d comes in to tree

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Thank you Allen.

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