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following championship rules..a dog that is striked and time on the hunt is over.they go to get the dog that was striked has a possum. is the dog scratched. or was the dog saved by hunt time expired.and a delete strike.

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Used to be scratched but rule was changed and now dog is saved....

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Let's get this correct, time was out so obviously the dog was ok. Now the fact is that it was just a pile of rotten slime and bones. They can be scratched for running, treeing or molesting off game. So my question is, since this is not a live animal none of those 3 rules could possibly apply even if time remained??? At best it was formally off game but to say a pile of slime could be molested is quite a stretch.

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Seriously, could a dog be scratched for stopping at a gut pile or animal carcess?? Needs to be a definitive answer.

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"Stopping at"? What exactly does that mean? "Defifinative" answer? Do you really think there should be a rule to cover that? And was it a "gut pile" or a possum? How long had it been dead.... 1 hr, 1 day, 2 days? Oh my goodness

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"Stopping at"? What exactly does that mean? "Defifinative" answer? Do you really think there should be a rule to cover that? And was it a "gut pile" or a possum? How long had it been dead.... 1 hr, 1 day, 2 days? Oh my goodness

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"Stopping at"? What exactly does that mean? "Defifinative" answer? Do you really think there should be a rule to cover that? And was it a "gut pile" or a possum? How long had it been dead.... 1 hr, 1 day, 2 days? Oh my goodness

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If he was struck but not treed why would anyone besides handler go get him. Unless he was obviously treed and handler didnt tree him

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It was a pile of slime and bones which shouldn't matter, it was dead. I know that under the circumstances time was expired and the dog was ok. They were considering scratching the dog until the rules showed that expired time saved it. What I want to know if time hadn't expired what rule would be used to scratch the dog. Obviously can't run it, tree it or harass it. It's impossible to harass something that is dead.

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I thought he had a possum. Where did the gut pile come from?

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Robert. I think I am as confused as you are. LOL

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One man's possum is another man's gut pile. This just goes to show how a story can change from the woods to the MOH desk.

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One man's possum is another man's gut pile. This just goes to show how a story can change from the woods to the MOH desk.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
One man's possum is another man's gut pile. This just goes to show how a story can change from the woods to the MOH desk.

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It was my dog so I know exactly what happened. There was never a live possum 😂. The judge didn't know what to do as far as scoring so we took it back to the moh. Now is where things went funny. The moh had never encountered this and he wasn't sure and thought the dog could be scratched but the rule book came out and the expired time rule took care of that. But still the moh and a couple of others thought that if time had not expired the dog could have been scratched. So that's why I asked on here, I didn't start the thread, obviously one of the other hunters was curious too but didn't realize it was a few bones and a piece of hide. There was never any argument about that. I know Richard and Tar and Dave and many on here have tons of knowledge on the rules and I didn't think it would take forever to get an intelligent answer.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Used to be scratched but rule was changed and now dog is saved....

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The first reply answered the original question. It only took 9 minutes.

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The first reply answered the original question. It only took 9 minutes.

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"What if" questions can be real hard to answer since they very rarely actually happen and are not covered by any rule. If you will just keep on comp hunting you will learn from actual experience.

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Didn't answer the next question, which was the one I didn't know 😁 I'm brand new to these hunts, that being only the 4th hunt I've ever been in. Since no one was sure of the call, I came here for help. Not that you didn't answer the first question right away, which showed the call that was made at the hunt was right. It was their thoughts on the what if time hadn't expired that had me puzzled. It did get answered a few posts later in the day, and that I really appreciate! I get on here fairly often and read the different scenarios posted and enjoy the chance to learn from you all.

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Does the answer change if the possum was alive when Ol Blue started that track?

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I was on that cast. W/D due to slick conditions, but stayed and guided from the truck. Come on folks... If the dog came in carrying a road kill coon, does it get plus points? Really. You can't harass or run a dead animal. Both stated that opossum had been dead a long time.

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Tentelkhntr...I see where you are seeking a intelligent answer to your question...WELL GOOD LUCK...

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Well put this spin on it if you can't get minused in or scratched for coming into a tree with a very live possum in it after the judge arrived at the tree why would you get minused or scratched for a very dead possum after the hunt is over ?


Just what I am thinken!!


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Dead or alive I would be embarrassed no matter what the dead carcass was to take a cast win.

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