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Just turned 3 yrs old got him today ..hes wipeout Zeb 3 x machine gun Sally........ he made a 300yard loop opened on track show him treed 3 times on Garmin but soon as it showed it he would run again...never made a tree but he handles like a dream comes when called and lays down 5yards in front of you to put leash on him...leads and loads ......hes not a real loud dog ...but maybe his mouth will get better after he gets fed good he needs to gain some weight .....when he came in he was coughing kinda like he had something stuck in his throat and went over and ate some grass.......not sure what to think about him yet...

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Does he cough frequently if so might be a possibility he has kennel cough I have thankfully never delt with it or like you said maybe good feed and time to adjust

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Just got him today know nothing bout him ... just hunted him tonight for 45 mins.

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Sounds like he is checking trees sounds good so far , as for the cough it could be heart worms

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I hope you are not relying on the Garmin to show treed. He could have just looked up, went up a hill or climbed over something. Heck my collar would show tree in the truck. He’s a 3 yr old there might be a reason he was for sale.

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Wormy, sick, and won't tree is what sounds like to me.

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Better have him checked for heart worms.

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Unfortunally i look for reasons dogs change hands. You have a dog here that had one of the best comp hounds and reproducers around as his Sire. His mother has won two SS and national championship. That adds up to a lot of winning. I would think this dog was pribably a 500 to 1000 pup. We all know they all dont make top comp hounds but they can still be fair cooners. I would suspect some of the top dog guys in the country evaluated this hound. Hope he does good for you. I think the coughing might be kennel cough ir could be heart worms.
In no way putting your dog down as I own a 4 month old semen pup that is half brother to his mom. Good luck and keep us posted.

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Just turned 3 yrs old got him today ..hes wipeout Zeb 3 x machine gun Sally........ he made a 300yard loop opened on track show him treed 3 times on Garmin but soon as it showed it he would run again...never made a tree but he handles like a dream comes when called and lays down 5yards in front of you to put leash on him...leads and loads ......hes not a real loud dog ...but maybe his mouth will get better after he gets fed good he needs to gain some weight .....when he came in he was coughing kinda like he had something stuck in his throat and went over and ate some grass.......not sure what to think about him yet.......................................................................................well buddy he may have heart worms/kennel cough/ this new dog flu going around !! have him checked if he dont have any of those illness !!! no one will or willing to tell you !! DONT WASTE YOUR TIME on a pic of crap !! regardless how the thing is breed !! hell it may not even be the rite papers on dog !! you hunt crap all you will have is a bad smell around house !!OOand good luck !!

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Unfortunally i look for reasons dogs change hands. You have a dog here that had one of the best comp hounds and reproducers around as his Sire. His mother has won two SS and national championship. That adds up to a lot of winning. I would think this dog was pribably a 500 to 1000 pup. We all know they all dont make top comp hounds but they can still be fair cooners. I would suspect some of the top dog guys in the country evaluated this hound. Hope he does good for you. I think the coughing might be kennel cough ir could be heart worms.
In no way putting your dog down as I own a 4 month old semen pup that is half brother to his mom. Good luck and keep us posted.

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However, if this dog has an awesome pedigree yet he is a cull and I wanted that bloodline because that bloodline was hard to come by I would breed that dog one time and select the best pups possible...many will disagree but it works...

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Sometimes. Breed him to a good female if you can. That's the way to go. They got pupson here for $1000s here lately, hollering sold out in one day. Calling their selves respectable breeders,best breeding ever, dedicated to improving breed,Lol. What kinda breeder takes a female to one of top 5 studs of all time burning up with brucellosis and lies about test,saying he left test paper at home? I know!!!some of same ones promoting these breeders talking these suckers into buying ole world champion bloodlines.must be some good stuff their smoking to fall for it,over and over. Getting served at the table,but don't want to do none of the work is called,getting what the bear grabbed at when purchasing their product. Their everywhere now and joining up teams,Beware buyers,let's smoke awhile.

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The statement was a precaution to the gentleman if he decided to breed his wipeout male in future,wasn't directed at particular females or persons. Besides we're not allowed to name dogs or persons involved in self promoting sale schemes claiming to improve breeding of coon dogs. The owner of a top stud informed me of situation where a female was delivered to his house and left to be bred like I described,said he had her tested but forgot test results and to be on safe side he had her tested at his expense, and yes it was over 16 years ago. While we're on subject though,I myself bought a pup from the mighty greatest stylest slickster of modern times and got a letter stating DNA testing didn't match up, let's just say I wasn't real pleased. My point being,when people take money for false products intentionally and keep it to make 5 times more money in the future,that is stealing,period.I am aware of some recent deals that smell of s--t,that I don't like,and I would give them back to Santa. It's that simple, all been done before.JMT.

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I respectfully disagree. Yes its done all the time. But if everybody culled what needed culled instead of breeding it eventually there wouldn't be near as many culls. Jmo...

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I respectfully disagree. Yes its done all the time. But if everybody culled what needed culled instead of breeding it eventually there wouldn't be near as many culls. Jmo...

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Guess this is turning into breeding post. Responsibility is the key word. You own them and you take responsibility. Breed what you want to and learn from the positives. Be honest and also learn from the bad. We try to police the world more than we police ourselves. I made a cross just two years ago that had three things that should be on your checklist for breeding. Quality dogs in the woods. Both have thrown good pups and last but not least excellent pedigrees. The cross fell short on what it should have been in my opinion. It happens. The medicore ones are living a happy life with their owners. The sorry ones I took care of. The great ones never showed up. You just have to try and be responsible if you fall short.

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Rueben I agree for the most part you never know where's the great ones gonna come from but is breeding inferior dogs part of the solution or part of the problem....like Bruce said I guess you're just responsible for your own

Just this week I hunted with a pup that's as talented as anything I've seen in 30 years. Not out of anything the coon dog world would even recognize. An accidental breeding I believe out of local stuff used for cat hunting.Well above aaverage in every department I judge a coon dog in...and he's just a baby 11 Months old. I tried(very hard) to buy him but couldn't. Just goes to show you can do everything by the book and get mediocre at best then out of nowhere comes a freak of nature. Its a funny game for sure....

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day in and day out this is not the best breeding practice...but if the pedigree is stacked with great dogs and you have a line of dogs that will benefit from this cross then go for it...

a wise old king once said to his son...it is better to marry a fair maiden that comes from a family of kings and great leaders of men and known for beautiful and sophisticated women than to marry a beautiful maiden that comes from a large family of peasants...

I do see your point and agree with you except there are times when one must make an exception...jmo

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See what I mean, gone and won it again. Maybe it'll catch on, again.

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Dang, went from the op asking about his dog that he just got and human teddy one time to talking about culling him! Maybe the dog isn't used to his new hunting environment, who knows but after having it vet checked, hunt him a month regular and then decide about culling or breeding

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Took him out 3 more times !!! No coughing at all ....have him on prednisolone and mouth is coming back ....hes kinda lazy lol....wont go real hard after first drop ...still makes a 300yard loop opens good on track but won't stay on tree....made a tree with company last night looked great on it ...but other dog ran the track and he went in and fell treed with him....stayed stuck with other dog !!! Found a coon crossing road dumped him out on it...would stay treed till other dog came close then he would want to wonder off with the other dog ....get him back on tree same thing again.....took him out tonight solo made a loop and opened on track good came right back .....any suggestions ??

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Hunt him with dog that he looked great with rest of season. A dog isn't made in one night. Keep hunting them,all you can. Bond with him,no yelling,whooping,shocking,just hunt him over and over. Build up his confidence and trust in you. Sounds like he's had a rough treatment at some point and he's scared to do anything on his own.

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The coughing sounds like it very well could be kennel cough, mine got it this spring and that’s what it sounded like, some of my dogs coughed more then others.

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Hunt him with dog that he looked great with rest of season. A dog isn't made in one night. Keep hunting them,all you can. Bond with him,no yelling,whooping,shocking,just hunt him over and over. Build up his confidence and trust in you. Sounds like he's had a rough treatment at some point and he's scared to do anything on his own.

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