Registered: Dec 2014
Location: Watertown, NY
Posts: 259

I try to follow these threads to help learn different peoples experience in this breed and how to have a better hound. But there's so much contradiction within.

First what's considered a big hunt? Most say if you ain't winning the big hunts it don't matter. Winning backyard hunts don't count for nothing anyone can do that. Which is not the case in my experience big hunts are way more pleasurable then any small club hunt. Just a lot more dogs at the big hunts.

Second I always here these same guys preaching list list list check the list. Well half the pups that put your dog on that list titles at backyard hunts so what's that make that list?

And third How far back do you go in pedigree before it's hardly there? I go with 3 generations and obviously ukc does as well seeing after 3 generations of X breed it can go back to redbone.


Remember as everyone says we are all after the same thing. At this point it's just a race to see who gets there first.

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Registered: Aug 2004
Location: Chattanooga, Tn
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It's all relative. If you have a dog that wins at small hunts then those are the hunts that you like. If your dog happens to win a big hunt, then those are the hunts that you point out or brag about. What if a "Big Hunt" only has 6 or 9 dogs hunting in it? Is it still a "big hunt"?
You go as far back in a pedigree as it takes to get to a dog or dogs that you can brag about.
And most of us are not all after the same thing. We are trying to win with or promote "our" dog, not someone elses.
That is why it gets confusing. Sometimes we have to change the standards to show "our" dog or type of dog to be a winner. You actually provided the answer in your first statement. Different people have different experiences.

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Registered: Oct 2012
Location: east ohio
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Big win/winner get wins to there titles at larger hunts breed days state hunts and so on the dog has to go to other areas hunt against dogs from other areas out of there own area and local dogs takes a well rounded dog imo
Just a Exsample Mac has wins in nc Ohio mo mich and ind at major hunts
Local would be in woods he hunts in all week every week against the same 5 or 6 dogs every week

List well they can be very tricky I look for Grnt numbers on reproducer list usually eliminates the list hunters from reproducers imo
Perform list usually there getting wins at bigger hunts the more points they get but again you got to watch the sire and dam list for how many pups are getting them points if I see a dog getting a lot of points but it's from several pups and one getting as much or more from just one or two the one with several might just be a list hunter imo
foundation foundation foundation that can run deep in a ped when the same dogs and line repeat several times imo

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grnt nighty nite moonlight kate rip
grnt moonlight pepper ann
Grnt jackpot Jackie rip
grnt rocky top jet
ntch moonlight katie rip
ntch moonlight madona
ntch beaver creek blaze rip
ntch moonlights dirty danny b.rip (ntch moonlight kink x ntch sawblade reckon)
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Grnt moonlight ky Kate (grnt ranger x grnt moonlight Kate
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Registered: Jun 2010
Location: Marion, Indiana
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Mark, you left off North Carolina on the states Mac got wins in
It seems to me the guys who want to critisize others on their wins are the ones who dont have many.
You will not see many dogs on the performance point lists getting the points it takes to rise on that list by hunting small hunts in their back yard because those type of hunts only award a fraction of a point. Big hunts to me are hunts that bring out the better competition. In UKC that would be hunts that draw several casts of Gr.Nt.Ch. dogs...in PKC it would be hunts that draw silver, gold and platinum champions.
Heck, I live right smack in the middle of some of the toughest competition in the country so even my backyard hunts are some of the toughest to win.
I got Bellar 25 mins away, I got Bryan Whitted 20 mins away and even at small pkc hunts here you will have about half the dogs there with 4k of money wins under their belt so its never a walk in the park in my backyard hunts.
The only confusion about who and what lines are winning is created by critics who want to create doubt and try to discredit winners by acting like their wins are not as good as other wins for this reason or that. Its bad for the breed and shouldnt be happening.
We should celebrate every redbone win and we should especially recognize and give praise to the rather small group of redbones each year that beat the odds and rack up multiple wins across many states at different times during the year....because these dogs have proven themselves to be some of our best competition dogs that are representing the breed well. Why would be ever want to diminish what they have done...how is that helpful to the breed?
Dogs that win one bigger hunt may have gotten lucky...
Dogs that win month after month in different states at bigger hunts....thats more than luck...
Lists are an impartial measuring tool that is generated by UKC and other registries. They are not based on opinion...(thank God)....they are based on facts and hard data. They should be looked at as a tool, a way to measure certain things that are important from a dog breeder or buyers stand point.
The results should not be doubted or diminished because that usually comes from people who dont have a dog on the list and are trying to make excuses as to why thats the case.
One of the best ways to use these lists are to watch for recurring patterns. The same dogs or lines of dogs winning over and over again...consistently rising on the lists either in performance points or in titled pups. This is all good stuff guys. I remember a time when people didnt have this information and you had to look at still pics in a magazine and listen to opinions from people when researching dogs....and opinions are not all that reliable.
If anyone wants to have their dog on a list...they need to get out there and earn their spot like everyone else who is on it. It changes almost every month and its the closest thing besides purina points that ukc offers up as a race.
Heck I wish they would create more lists that would offer measurments in other metrics that would be useful to breeders and buyers of puppies.
I also wish they would turn the performance points system into a yearly race that culminates with a two night, double round each night elimination hunt at the end of the year or in the spring of the year with a big hunt where the top ten dogs of each breed compete against each other for a prestigous title and some awards....
That would make it a true race throughout the year with nice rewards for the most consistent winning dogs at the end of it!
What do you think Allen and Corey?

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Dual Gr.Ch. Outlaw Billy the Kid
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Dual Grand Ch.- PKC Ch. Moonlight AfterShock
Dual Grand Nighty Night Amber
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Big Time Britt
Gr.Nt.Ch Outlaw Billy Jean
Gr.Nt.Ch-PKC Ch.-2015 PKC Red Days Champ Outlaw Cherry Bomb
Gr.Nt.Ch Outlaw Breeze
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Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Outlaw Mac
Gr.Nt.Ch. Classy Cali (Heavy Outlaw bred)
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Cat Scratch Fever
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Addiction
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Overdose
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Jinx
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