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I have a question for you all. Dog a strikes and gets treed. Wait the 5 and go to the tree when we arrive dog b is treeing with dog a. Since dog b is barking and never struck in I say the dog is scratched for not being struck in by the third bark. Am I right or missing something. Thanks

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Did the judge ask for a call on the second dog at any time?

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The rule says scratch on second offense. So, the judge would have to minus the dog whatever strike position is available, then, if the dog is not struck on or before the next three barks, he would scratch that dog.
You can't just say the dog has barked more than 6 times so he scratched. You got to minus and then scratch.

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This was just a tail gate discussion. Does the judge have to ask for a call or can he minus the strike points?

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To be considered an HONORABLE person, worthy of judging a cast. The judge should first inform all cast members that dog B is being minused for failure to call on or before the third bark, after the first minute is up. Then his second offense would then warrant a scratching of the dog.

Though the rules do not dictate the number of decibels required when calling dogs struck or treed. It is the Honorable thing to do to make the call in a fashion that all participants can hear, so as to reduce the possibility of underhanded pushing of the pencil, that may benefit the judge.

It just simply helps to keep all the scoring on the UP and UP so that all involved have a full understanding of the outcome.

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when im judging and I hear a dog bark without a call I count out loud till third bark then when I find out whos dog it was I minus it the second time i scratch them

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This kind of extends the question asked....if one dog is struck in and another opens it barks three times still no call judge minuses it but no one is willing to say it's there dog. How do you find out whose dog it is to minus?

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What if dog was shut out on strike and you didnt hear it till you got there anyhow. You cant minus something that aint there to begin with. Can ya?

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That is exactly what I am taking about

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
What if dog was shut out on strike and you didnt hear it till you got there anyhow. You cant minus something that aint there to begin with. Can ya?

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Originally posted by Allen / UKC
The fact that a dog is shut out on strike doesn't matter. Any dog still needs to be struck on or before the third bark (after the first minute). If shut out then the dog wouldn't have any strike points to minus but it changes nothing else. And it would also still be considered first offense. Does that make sense?

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Originally posted by Allen / UKC
The fact that a dog is shut out on strike doesn't matter. Any dog still needs to be struck on or before the third bark (after the first minute). If shut out then the dog wouldn't have any strike points to minus but it changes nothing else. And it would also still be considered first offense. Does that make sense?

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Im just talking about that first strike where say if it was struck you'd minus it. In this case you'd still strike but not be minused anything correct because their is nothing there.

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You will still get minuses next available strike position.

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This kind of extends the question asked....if one dog is struck in and another opens it barks three times still no call judge minuses it but no one is willing to say it's there dog. How do you find out whose dog it is to minus?

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You will still get minuses next available strike position.

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Aint no strike points available if your shut out. None can be had. So you cant minus strike on a shut out dog.

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Originally posted by Allen / UKC
The fact that a dog is shut out on strike doesn't matter. Any dog still needs to be struck on or before the third bark (after the first minute). If shut out then the dog wouldn't have any strike points to minus but it changes nothing else. And it would also still be considered first offense. Does that make sense?

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