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3 dog cast, all dogs struck and treed on the edge of a cornfield along an old overgrown railroad bed, cast arrives and 2 dogs are in there treed, third dog is out in the corn 6/8 rows barkin so the judge minuses that dog.
Judge orders the other 2 dogs handled, the third dog is still standin out in the corn barkin. Shine time is started, great big willow, about 6 minutes in the coon is found out on a limb about 15 feet over the head of the dog out in the corn who is still stadin there barkin but hasnt been handled.
If you are the judge do you fix the card to make things right for the dog in the corn or do ya give him the old "sorry thats a bad break" have him handle his dog,and hand him some more minus because theres a coon in the tree?

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As long as the dog is showing treed and under the cover of the tree I say fix it there is nothing says dog has to have both feet on tree to keep from being minused jmo.

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cover of tree is same as saying umbrella......no such thing. dog is minused off tree and minused for strike. JMO nothing to correct, dog not showing tree but on corn stalk.....maybe winding coon but just bad break.
another way of putting it is if possum was in tree would handler want to be minused or scratched depending on cast (grand, nitech or reg) doubt it!

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it is a fact that the dog is treed under the correct tree and NOT trying to trail on. The judge made a wrong call so correct it before moving on.

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cover of tree is same as saying umbrella......no such thing. dog is minused off tree and minused for strike. JMO nothing to correct, dog not showing tree but on corn stalk.....maybe winding coon but just bad break.

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Fix card if the dog is out there looking up at coon, at least I would

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Fix card if the dog is out there looking up at coon, at least I would

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I'd fix it. Dog in corn is obviously treeing whether on the wood or not.

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Purty interesting question.

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1st mistake dog was declared treed and handler was not told by judge to handle the dog. 2nd mistake the handler did not asked the judge to handle his dog. As a judge after seeing what the dog was doing I would have the cast vote rather to award the dog his plus points. If the cast didn't vote to plus the dog up I would put a ? On the card myself and tell the MOH the mistake as the judge I had made.

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if hes treed an not trailing an a coon right above him == but not on the tree ==I WUD PLUS HIM JMO

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it all depends on whether its a non hunting judge or a hunting judge !

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If I was the hunting judge and made a mistake I would question my own ruling and ask for a cast vote. Hopefully they would overturn my incorrect ruling and it would be ironed out. If not the question would be on the card for the MOH to straighten out when we got back to the club.

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scoring a tree is never a hunting judges decision requires a vote ! non hunting judge can only be overturned by panel, moh, or ukc !

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scoring a tree is never a hunting judges decision requires a vote ! non hunting judge can only be overturned by panel, moh, or ukc !

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In this instance the judge didn't minus the dog on the tree, he minused the dog for leaving the tree and that is a judges decision, whether it be hunting judge or non hunting judge.

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not true if handler ask for vote a hunting judges call can be overturned by cast !

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
3 dog cast, all dogs struck and treed on the edge of a cornfield along an old overgrown railroad bed, cast arrives and 2 dogs are in there treed, third dog is out in the corn 6/8 rows barkin so the judge minuses that dog.
Judge orders the other 2 dogs handled, the third dog is still standin out in the corn barkin. Shine time is started, great big willow, about 6 minutes in the coon is found out on a limb about 15 feet over the head of the dog out in the corn who is still stadin there barkin but hasnt been handled.
If you are the judge do you fix the card to make things right for the dog in the corn or do ya give him the old "sorry thats a bad break" have him handle his dog,and hand him some more minus because theres a coon in the tree?

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The dog in question is minused most hunts. Specially if its winning. Just from my observations.

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You really need to read and understand the rules. You love commenting on how things should be handled in a hunt but the problem is you are wrong most of the time.

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My opinion is to correct the card. If not, put a question there and let MOH fix it. It's pretty obvious the judge wasn't trying to give anyone a raw deal. I'm assuming it wasn't his dog. If it was; definitely question it and let it be fixed later to reduce any friction.

True story: I was a non-hunting judge on a cast. Dog A had 1st strike and all other dogs were declared treed. Upon arriving at the tree; Dog A was heard treeing over the hill and was called treed. Permission was granted to handle the dog. Handler was told we would be there after scoring the others. Well, after we finished, we pulled dogs off and listened for her but did not hear her. I put the 2 minutes on her, it got her and time was continued. Well, the time on track caught her too. I minused her and then we whooped for the handler. He answered us. He had the dog tied and as soon as she was snapped; she started getting sick. Throwing up and such. Evidence there seemed to support this scenario. We held a small impromptu meeting on the creekbank before we even looked up. I decided to score the tree however it should have been if the situation hadn't occured and told the hadlers that I was and asked if anyone needed to question the decision. It turned out that the tree was a huge pine and was circled. If I remember correctly, that dog ended up treeing 2 more coons and won the Nite Ch. portion of the hunt. However, if I hadn't "fixed it" the dog would have been forced to overcome a huge deficit and most likely the handler woulf have scratched.
How would you have handled it?

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Nothing in rules says it has to keep barking after the 5 an dog has been handled. I guess he should of came and got you though. So you did the right thing.

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