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Hey can someone tell me gotta a dog that goes back to him just wondering was he smokey river or what?

And He goes back to Blue Diamond Jim as well. I know from what I have read and heard that Jim and JBS Chief were hell of reproducers.

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Smoky River, old Hammer, etc.

He was a reproducer for sure.

He marked the breed without a doubt.

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Hey can someone tell me gotta a dog that goes back to him just wondering was he smokey river or what?

And He goes back to Blue Diamond Jim as well. I know from what I have read and heard that Jim and JBS Chief were hell of reproducers.

Thanks

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Was hammer. With a touch off smokey river

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------------------------Northern Blue Hammer
--------------------Northern Blue Hammer II
------------------------Northern Blue Echo
---------------Northern Blue Hammer III
------------------------Kentucky Blue Chip
--------------------Northern Blue Fly
------------------------Tree Top Blue Betsy
------------Bryants Blue Slammer
------------------------True Boy Blue
--------------------Smokey River Blue Diamond Jim
------------------------Palmers Annabelle Lee
----------------Bryants Blue Bell
------------------------Smokey River Blue Rambler
--------------------Howsers Ozark Blue Buzzy
------------------------Smokey River Blue Ruby
------Ntch Dryfork Blue Spud
------------------------Smokey River Blue Diamond Jim
------------------Grntch Smokey River Blue Spot
------------------------Hickersons Blue Queen
---------------Grntch ch Muddy Boggy Blue Dobber
------------------------Shenolds Blue Ace
------------------Olsons Oklahoma Cinder
------------------------Lyons Blue Ginger
-----------Bryants Blue Sammie
------------------------Nichols Blue Smokey II
------------------Grntch Quail Creek Jimmy
------------------------Lone Cry Blue Ginger
---------------Dawsons Wolf Crk Granny
------------------------Rectors Ozark Blue Lobo
------------------Kellys Julie
------------------------Rectors Ozark Penny
Ntch Smokey River JBS Cheif
------------------------Smokey River Blue Smokey
------------------Grntch Herrisons Blue Ben
------------------------Hodges Blue Buffie
--------------Grntch Bar-L Smoky R Bl Jerry
------------------------Blue Dan
------------------Ntch Lagoon Creek Blue Lady
------------------------Craigs Blue Patti
---------Ntch Jones Cedar Hill Bl Jay
------------------------Smokey River Blue Sage
------------------Smokey Riv Bl Sailor
------------------------Hefley Bro. Nellie
--------------Timberhill Bl Bell
------------------------Smokey River Diam. Blue Talker
------------------Smokey River Blue Schiltz
------------------------Blaikes Blue Kate
-----Smokey River BB's Jbell
------------------------True Boy Blue
------------------Grntch Smokey River Bl Diamond Jim
------------------------Palmers Annabelle Lee
--------------Ntch Smokey River Sundown
------------------------Hills Arkansas Blue
------------------Smokey River Blue Kit
------------------------Smokey River Bl Tangs Fanny
---------Smokey River Maybls BB
------------------------Edisto River Blue Sail (Hills Ark. Blue x Hills Blue Dot)
------------------Smokey River Rambler II (Littermate to S.R. Toke)
------------------------Hensleys Bell (S.R. Rambler x Hammers Queen)
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Mostly Hammer?

Thanks for clearing that up Craig, now others can look and make their best interpretation.

Always liked that Diamond Jim blood

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Chief was mostly Smokey River, with a touch of Hammer. Warren Haslouer said he was the best reproducer since Diamond Jim. I owned half brothers/sisters to Chief. They didn't all make it, but the majority (by far) did.

I have a lot of Chief blood here, showing Chief several times in three generations. There are several others, on this board, with a lot of Chief blood in their hounds. There is frozen semen available from a few of his sons. There are a few (very few) grandsons/granddaughters around. If you're wanting Chief blood, it shouldn't be too hard to find. If you haven't tried it, I don't think you will be disappointed. Most of them are balanced hounds; good strike, good trail, and good tree dogs. Most of them have good mouths. Good luck!!!

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I owned a Nt.Ch. female out of Chief that had a weak mouth. The majority of the one's I've had possessed average, or better than average mouths. I do know of some that were tight on the ground, and one of the biggest faults I have seen was, several dogs out of Chief had seizures. The seizures were genetically transmitted.

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I'm no expert on much of anything.

But in my opinion, the big thing Chief brought to the breed was heads up, one bark tree dogs.

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Owned a daughter of Chief- NtChGrCh Dot that we raised Shipshiwana Sis thru Sheppards' Fred dog from- that was a big great looking female, just like a male dog would look like. Had a good mouth & a 1 bark tree dog. She also had the seizure issue. I thought she was dead for sure the first time it happened & 15 minutes later she would be standing up ready to go hunting. Take care, Ron.

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the seizures come from the hammer blood lol

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the seizures come from the hammer blood lol

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I owned one hound directly out of Chief. Gr Nt Chiefs' Joe. Joe was a hard going tough hound. He absolutely hated coon. Run his mouth more than he needed to in competition. I believe several sired by Chief was that way. The hounds I have hunted the past 20 years have Chief blood on both sides of their pedigree. If not the best female reproducers, close to it, Mailes Rudy Sue & White River Sugar both Chief daughters is blood I prefer. Gr Nt Mailes Pete one of the best reproducers ever, was a son of Sue. Gr Nt Mailes Rattler also a Son of Sue is one of the few Gr Nt grandsons of Chief still living.

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I owned one hound directly out of Chief. Gr Nt Chiefs' Joe. Joe was a hard going tough hound. He absolutely hated coon. Run his mouth more than he needed to in competition. I believe several sired by Chief was that way. The hounds I have hunted the past 20 years have Chief blood on both sides of their pedigree. If not the best female reproducers, close to it, Mailes Rudy Sue & White River Sugar both Chief daughters is blood I prefer. Gr Nt Mailes Pete one of the best reproducers ever, was a son of Sue. Gr Nt Mailes Rattler also a Son of Sue is one of the few Gr Nt grandsons of Chief still living.

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Gr nt Lucy was a nice hound out of Joe. Lyonel Charles has a Nt ch male from Joe. A littermate to Lucy. Buck will be 13 years old next month.

John, it's tough finding the coon treeing hound with no major faults. Chief has brought the blues a long ways.

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I purchased a young male from Gene Wolfenbarger that was sired by Chief and his Speck female. I called the dog, Ranger and he made a pretty fair hound but was a little too coon crazy for me. He absolutely went crazy and got this wild look in his eyes when he smelled a coon, was a little scary. To prove my point, he broke his own neck while shaking a coon and had to be put down. Though he never did it, I always suspected that he might bite someone when they tried to take a coon away from him.
I bred him to the old Fly female I purchased from Dartez Brumley (heavy Vaughn breeding) and raised one pup, a female I called Mamie. Mamie was a natural coondog and easy going. I will never know how good she could have been as I lost her as a three year old. This was the foundation of the dogs I have today.
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