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Waiting for the sun to go down so here it goes. I see this all the time and sometimes I just chuckle. So what is everyone's definition of a proven cross?

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Two dogs that have been bred together before that produced good pups. IMO

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Bingo!

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That's a pretty vague statement!

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That's a pretty vague statement!

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One mans "good pup" is different from another. That's a more open statement then a started dog IMO. So what makes them a good pup. Treeing coon? Nitech? Money won? Shakes? This was the basis to my question.

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That's a pretty vague statement!

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May just be me but you never hear much out of the 2nd and 3rd time litters. Some you do but most times not.

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IMO there is NO SUCH THING as a proven cross. There are some crosses that click on the first mating and then there are some that click on the 2nd or 3rd mating. However having said that, most of the time the 2nd or 3rd mating never occurs unless the first one worked pretty good.

I will defend my position by asking the question, how many pups in the same litter, act alike, sound alike, and train out alike??? If they were different in the first litter, they will probably be different in the next cross as well.

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I made a proven cross a few years ago every pup turned out the same...none of them was worth a dime they proved to be absolutely useless...lol

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I made a proven cross a few years ago every pup turned out the same...none of them was worth a dime they proved to be absolutely useless...lol

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Bred Lobo to Sassy several times with great results each time, Bred Lobo to Shadow several time with great results, bred Boone to Shaow and Dolly several times with great results and I've bred Pride to Ruby several times with great results.

How can you say there is no such thing as a proven cross?

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this is only a coon dog forum. it is not a court of law. must every term be defined before we can discuss anything? no one is going to be held to account. we can write what ever we want and it's ok. just relax.
a proven cross is whatever you say or think it is.

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One mans "good pup" is different from another. That's a more open statement then a started dog IMO. So what makes them a good pup. Treeing coon? Nitech? Money won? Shakes? This was the basis to my question. "

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Fellas this was just a post to see what opinions were on the phrase proven cross. Not a bicker session. I actually thought we'd get some good responses.

I guess I'll start. To me a proven cross has to prove them selves. It's nice that they're good acting pups and showing interest, but I want the proven part. Winners. Titles and money won, and doing it night after night solo. That's not one or two pups but all but one or two.

There is no right or wrong answer. It's just nice to see the difference of opinion on a friendly form.

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What if you have 8 pups in a litter, 2 of them get in the "right hands" and make something; the others don't. Is that a proven cross?

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If I was the one looking at getting a pup out of that repeat cross I'd ask what all the pups were doing. If 2 were doing it and 6 weren't whether do to the hands they're in or what not I'd have to say no. Doesn't mean they aren't/weren't capable, just means they aren't. I wouldn't say 25% is proven. Now that's just me.

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If I was the one looking at getting a pup out of that repeat cross I'd ask what all the pups were doing. If 2 were doing it and 6 weren't whether do to the hands they're in or what not I'd have to say no. Doesn't mean they aren't/weren't capable, just means they aren't. I wouldn't say 25% is proven. Now that's just me.

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A proven cross to me is one that produces consistent pups every time. By that I mean they have similar desirable traits that can be marked by the parents and the traits they have.

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If I was the one looking at getting a pup out of that repeat cross I'd ask what all the pups were doing. If 2 were doing it and 6 weren't whether do to the hands they're in or what not I'd have to say no. Doesn't mean they aren't/weren't capable, just means they aren't. I wouldn't say 25% is proven. Now that's just me.

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I breed the same female to the same male years ago. The first litter turned out several nice hounds......the second litter turned out nothing but common junk. That cured me of ever wanting to make the same cross again!!! Just my opinion for what it's worth.

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I breed the same female to the same male years ago. The first litter turned out several nice hounds......the second litter turned out nothing but common junk. That cured me of ever wanting to make the same cross again!!! Just my opinion for what it's worth.

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But we're the pups off the second cross given the same chance that the ones off the first one was given?

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I think if everyone was happy with their pup then it's a proven cross. There is a cross talked about often on here in which just about all the puppies made nite champion {some might even be grand by now.} There is a lot of demand and interest in making that cross again. Yet the owner of the female chose not to breed back to that stud whose puppies are in demand and sell quickly. He could have named his price.....Looks like to me he'd have figured out where to go after the first one was so successful, but he didn't.

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