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chip johnson
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tone opinions

I am wondering what differant things you all use the tone for.

Over the years I have trained all my dogs to come back in when I toned them but am thinking of whistle training them to come back in and use the tone for something else.

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My b&ts come back to a tone. So do most of my foxhounds. But thats along with me hollering and consistent toning.

For the foxhounds I use a single tap of the tone to get them moving again if they encounter trash (like a coon or something dead) to harass or I see them silently trailing deer. Just to remind them of what they are supposed to be doing lol.

Full blown running a barking on trash still gets a shock.

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Mine are hostler broke tone broke and they enter be coming !!! With either !!

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Re: tone opinions

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Originally posted by chip johnson
I am wondering what differant things you all use the tone for.

Over the years I have trained all my dogs to come back in when I toned them but am thinking of whistle training them to come back in and use the tone for something else.


I have a young pup now I've been working on whistling in and it seams to be working well I think I'm really going to like having her whistle broke. I'm wishing I'd have done that with my good walker when he was a pup, He's not to bad about calling in if I get close enough but he has selective hearing if he still has coon on the brain.
This pup didn't listen very well at all at one time but I have her to where if I blow on that whistle she makes a B-line straight for me no matter where she is. What I did to get her started was for morning feeding when she was still in her box I would blow the whistle to bring her out of her box and she had to walk 16ft to the corner of her kennel to watch me coming to her and I would talk to her as soon as she came to where she could see me.
A couple weeks of that seemed to transfer right to the woods when she hears the whistle she hustles to make eye contact with me.

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recall only . and them tone sounds wear out after a while I need to send two tritronics in to be refurbished soon . you can barely here them .

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My coon hounds and beagles are all tone broke to come in with out being called unless they are tracking. My bird dog is tone broke for correcting and also coming back in. If I hold the button he comes. If I beep it once he quits whatever he is doing wrong.

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when i had beagles they were all tone broke i would push the tone tel them to come if they didn't i would hit them on 1 didn't take long when i hit the tone they would beat it right back to me

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I do not use the tone as a substitute for the command "Here"...I use the tone as a warning. When they get "toned" I am saying "you better stop what you are doing and think about your next move." Because it will be followed by a shock to stop. I find this way more useful than using the tone to recall a dog. I want to fire a warning shot for two reasons, one, so I don't have to shock the dog if he acts right and two, to help the dog learn positive behavior. Now if I used the tone to call the dog this wouldn't work for my purposes. I want the dog to stop whatever he is doing, messing with a squirrel, keying up on a rabbit, watching deer blast off and deciding whether or not to go, etc., not come to me when he should be/needs to be making a decision on his own.
Just curious...when you say "use it for something else", what was it you had in mind?????

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quote:
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Mine are hostler broke tone broke and they enter be coming !!! With either !!


"Hostler broke"????? "enter be coming"????? Dude.....I am for darn sure glad I aint one of your dogs, you'd probably shock me a lot because I would be clueless.

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chip johnson
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I might use it to change the direction they are hunting or to move them out if they are messing around in one area to long.

really undecided, that is why i was looking for some new ideas besides useing it for recall.

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First my name ain't dude !! Second that's spell Chkc for ya !!! Mine are whistle amd tone broke and when they hear either one they better be coming !!!!! Is that better ?? And it will also work for a warning Aswell when they receive the tone they def know they need to quite what there doing immediatly good or bad ! And since I spend the time with my hounds from the time there weened they understand what I want and a lot by the tone of my voice !!! When you put the time in them you don't have to beat them switch them are all that other bs people do!!!! Jmo and for the most part if your start them rite and hunt them alone when your starting them you won't have a lot of issues with off game !!! And the few I have had we're fixed in pretty quick fashion !!!but I'm always looking and listening to try to learn new things !!! So msinc that equates to if you have a brain between your ears we wouldn't have any problem if you were a dog here but if you didn't well then your stay would be short!!! I'm assuming you hunt on the eastern shore up around Cecil county ??? Y'all have a lot of coon over yalls way !!! If you would care to Chkc the oil on any of my hounds and come on up for a hunt in thin coon thick junk and some rough terrain feel free to call 571-233-5819 I know bobby carrol,reds carrol,marty , Tom baize, Robbie Towson,Frankie and some good guys from down that way !!!

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And IMO the main and biggest reason I put a handle on all my dogs is I'm done when I'm done not them and it just might save there life if there heading for a busy road are main highway you never know !! But handling IMO would be the only reason to use the tone or as a warning as to what is coming next if they don't change what there doing !!!! As was stated before !

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Tone

Tone training a dog to come to you is a beautiful thing. no yelling and hooping.just tone em and watch them on the garmin .this was the easiest training I did with mine and it makes her a pleasure to hunt.if I get ready to go or she's close to an area I don't want her in I just bump that tone button and smile.

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Tone

Tone training a dog to come to you is a beautiful thing. no yelling and hooping.just tone em and watch them on the garmin .this was the easiest training I did with mine and it makes her a pleasure to hunt.if I get ready to go or she's close to an area I don't want her in I just bump that tone button and smile.

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quote:
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And IMO the main and biggest reason I put a handle on all my dogs is I'm done when I'm done not them and it just might save there life if there heading for a busy road are main highway you never know !! But handling IMO would be the only reason to use the tone or as a warning as to what is coming next if they don't change what there doing !!!! As was stated before !
I have mine tone broke to come to me,,all I have to do is bump it and she comes a Hellen,im sure it saved my dogs live afew nights a ago while hunting a woods aside a rr track,,she was right beside it getting ready to cross the tracks(by what my alpha was showing) so I bumped the button and bam,,she come a Hellen back to me,,I love the tone

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I just tone trained my first dog. She comes in beautifully when she can see me. At night in the woods when I tone her she stops and won't move until I holler at her. As soon as she hears me and knows where I am, she comes running. I never used vocal commands when training her. She's ten months old. Will she learn better as she gets older?

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quote:
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I just tone trained my first dog. She comes in beautifully when she can see me. At night in the woods when I tone her she stops and won't move until I holler at her. As soon as she hears me and knows where I am, she comes running. I never used vocal commands when training her. She's ten months old. Will she learn better as she gets older?


Yes, a lot of dogs just kind of naturally think you want them beside you for some reason with that tone. I prefer not to use mine to call my dogs, like I said, I use it as a shot across their bow if they are doing something they shouldn't before I shock them. That way they learn if they do right they can avoid the shock. But, like I said, if you want to use it to just call the dog they will definitely learn it in a short time.
I have a young male that was starting to do a few things I wanted to stop before they got too bad...he would sometimes babble a little when first let out of the kennel. He would also chase and worry other dogs the entire time I would take them for an exercise run. He also refused to come to me when it was time to get back in his kennel. He is very smart, I had to tap him one time before and today when I put the collar on him he heeled me the entire walk, never bothered the other dogs and jumped right in his kennel. I did not have to push a single button, not even the tone. I do not expect him to act that way with no collar though.

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I do not use the tone as a substitute for the command "Here"...I use the tone as a warning. When they get "toned" I am saying "you better stop what you are doing and think about your next move." Because it will be followed by a shock to stop. I find this way more useful than using the tone to recall a dog. I want to fire a warning shot for two reasons, one, so I don't have to shock the dog if he acts right and two, to help the dog learn positive behavior. Now if I used the tone to call the dog this wouldn't work for my purposes. I want the dog to stop whatever he is doing, messing with a squirrel, keying up on a rabbit, watching deer blast off and deciding whether or not to go, etc., not come to me when he should be/needs to be making a decision on his own.
Just curious...when you say "use it for something else", what was it you had in mind?????


Houndsmen right here fellors listen and learn. I hate buying a young dog that comes in on a tone. Its a rough life for him for the first week around here cause I train mine to come when I call when I tone he better kick it in gear and get out of the area he is in. Saves a lot of foot steps.

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Houndsmen right here fellors listen and learn. I hate buying a young dog that comes in on a tone. Its a rough life for him for the first week around here cause I train mine to come when I call when I tone he better kick it in gear and get out of the area he is in. Saves a lot of foot steps.


Thank you very much sir!!!!

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lol you boys must have some lungs , I found that tone button could reach further than my hollering . but I see where you coming from . I still train my dogs to come to the cow horn as well . but a little tone recall is needed around here in these small woods . with all the dog shooters now days it's best to hit that button and have the dogs high tail it and find me .

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Ol hoss what would you be wanting the dog to get away from that you use the tone for?

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The main thing is bad tracks. Most dogs today have no business trien to work a bad track cause if they do tree they come up short. Their for when they hit these bad tracks I tone them out of that area. That way they learn when a bad track comes to leave it alone.

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My coon hounds and beagles are all tone broke to come in with out being called unless they are tracking. My bird dog is tone broke for correcting and also coming back in. If I hold the button he comes. If I beep it once he quits whatever he is doing wrong.


This

a tap to get there attention,
Hold for recall

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The main thing is bad tracks. Most dogs today have no business trien to work a bad track cause if they do tree they come up short. Their for when they hit these bad tracks I tone them out of that area. That way they learn when a bad track comes to leave it alone.





and you end up with a hot nosed dog that is running through the country looking for that hot track and can not run a track when it gets down cold with frost on.

I hunted with a man on 2 different nights he stood with his garman in one hand and his shocker in the other every time his dog would get close to another dog he would shock it then when the dog came in and would not go hunting he beat it, he advertises this dog as being independent a born loner, I have not went with him again.

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The main thing is bad tracks. Most dogs today have no business trien to work a bad track cause if they do tree they come up short. Their for when they hit these bad tracks I tone them out of that area. That way they learn when a bad track comes to leave it alone.





and you end up with a hot nosed dog that is running through the country looking for that hot track and can not run a track when it gets down cold with frost on.

I hunted with a man on 2 different nights he stood with his garman in one hand and his shocker in the other every time his dog would get close to another dog he would shock it then when the dog came in and would not go hunting he beat it, he advertises this dog as being independent a born loner, I have not went with him again.

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