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4 dog cast all dog's struck. 3 dogs treed. cast goes into tree
4 dogs on tree when cast arrives, Coon is seen how is dog that was not treed in scored

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Minused strike

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Minused strike and awarded next available tree points and minused those also...

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minus strike only ! the only time you assign points at a tree is off game or slick

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Minus on track only and nothing on tree . Now if the tree would have been slick then minus on track & tree . So therefore coon seen minus track only

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Is this for UKC or PKC or both?

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Given the limited info and if it is a UKC hunt the dog not declared treed by his handler but there treeing is scratched according to Rule 6 {O} the so-called "stationary rule." You say he was there treeing, just not declared...it is not as if he came into the tree after you arrived.

Edit: Info on Page 70-71 of "The Advisor" {note: the book is a little outdated in some regards to the rules that have changed over the years...they are quoting "Rule 6 {Q} but it is now Rule 6 {O}

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Stationary rule timing had to been started prior. Otherwise dog is not stationary.

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Stationary rule timing had to been started prior. Otherwise dog is not stationary.

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the only way to start stationary is if only one dog is treeing and not declared treed once there is another dog declared treed the stationary 5 is broken ! and as which kc. this is a ukc board !

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the only way to start stationary is if only one dog is treeing and not declared treed once there is another dog declared treed the stationary 5 is broken ! and as which kc. this is a ukc board !

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This is not a situation where the stationary rule is applied, but if you feel you must, know that another dog treed on the same tree breaks the stationary. Page 42 of the advisor answers the first question, which is minus the strike. Page 70 answers the stationary question, which as I said not applied here.

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msinc your correct rule doesn't say one dog !

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Stationary would not be applied here.

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The stationary can be applied to all four dogs. If none of them have been declared treed, but as soon as one is declared treed the stationary is broken. Then rule 4k would be applied.

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Stationary rule could be applied here. Going into the tree and the 5 minutes time is not up the judge hears 4 dogs treed. It starts on the 4th dog and is applied accordingly...if not, then why not???? Again..."if handler fails to declare dog obviously treeing {JUDGES DECISION}....

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This is not a situation where the stationary rule is applied, but if you feel you must, know that another dog treed on the same tree breaks the stationary. Page 42 of the advisor answers the first question, which is minus the strike. Page 70 answers the stationary question, which as I said not applied here.

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If two dogs are on one tree, one is treeing but not declared treed , you can start the stationary on that dog. As soon as the other dog is declared treed it breaks the stationary on the first one. As far as page 42 look under the heading " dogs treeing but not declared treed " which begins on the bottom of the page.

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Stationary rule could be applied here. Going into the tree and the 5 minutes time is not up the judge hears 4 dogs treed. It starts on the 4th dog and is applied accordingly...if not, then why not???? Again..."if handler fails to declare dog obviously treeing {JUDGES DECISION}....

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Where do you guys get your information? Geez the dog not declared treed could be treed on a tree split 1 yard away from dogs treed in. If your to scared to tree your dog when it tells you to tree it then let the judge apply the stationary rule!

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Stop and think... 2 dogs are declared treed and the 5 has expired, on the way to the tree you believe you hear a third dog there treeing. The rule plainly states that the handler has 5 minutes to declare the dog treed while the stationary runs. HOW would you run the stationary on this dog when you are going to be at the tree to handle and score the other dogs?

This is not a case where we run the stationary.

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Where do you guys get your information? Geez the dog not declared treed could be treed on a tree split 1 yard away from dogs treed in. If your to scared to tree your dog when it tells you to tree it then let the judge apply the stationary rule!

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Stop and think... 2 dogs are declared treed and the 5 has expired, on the way to the tree you believe you hear a third dog there treeing. The rule plainly states that the handler has 5 minutes to declare the dog treed while the stationary runs. HOW would you run the stationary on this dog when you are going to be at the tree to handle and score the other dogs?

This is not a case where we run the stationary.

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Exactly!!!!! Why do we have the stationary rule to begin with??????

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No one ever said "the 5 has expired" in this case.....

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