Hoosier Outlaw
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Re: I agree 100%
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Originally posted by Ed Morgan
As a newcomer to coon hunting, I wasn't influenced by oldtimer methods of starting pups. I started them the same way I trained bird dog pups and it worked. I also had real good advice from Ted Baker, and read John Wicks books and used what I though made sense. I think a pup learns much better on his own than by following an old dog, and builds his confidence much better and becomes a leader, independent, loner(whatever u want to call it). It sure worked for me on my first 2 pups and the others I'm starting now. Shane, write a short book in your spare time and add to your income and help all the novices, you've got a lot of good knowledge to share.
I might have a lot to share Ed, but its that spare time thing I dont seem to have much of...lol. I have been making a lot of videos, as you may have noticed. I have many more that I have made along the way that i have been archiving fora project when iI get some time. I think a lot of folks might find it interesting to see how some big winning dogs got their start and all the aspects of the different stages of their training....the good and the bad. As well as the methods I personally use to encourage and sustain good behavior and the correction methods i use to discourage bad behavior. As most of you know, I hunt alone and its hard for one person to produce good video footage of all of these things....but I am trying to capture as much as I can in hopes of putting together something useful down the road. Many times people only see the finished result when a dog has matured and really starts winning big....and they think it just started out good and only got better. The fact is, I have trained and handled many truly great top level dogs of many breeds and all had problems and setbacks before they pulled it all together and started to win consistently. I think if more people understood this....and saw first hand how some of these dogs were worked through those problems to become what they did....it might give them the confidence they need to stick with their own dogs through the problem areas until the dog finishes out to its full potential. When I look at our breed I see crosses being made that should produce real good, possibly top level redbones.....but I dont see many turning out that way. Why?
I think a lot of people, even those who have coon hunted for years do not fully understand all the stages that young dogs go through as they mature into a finished dog...and many do not know what works best to get their dog through these stages. Sometimes people will get a really good started dog and finish it out to a top dog and do a lot of winning....but then struggle for years to ever come up with another one because they try what worked on the first one and it doesn't work on the second one....so they blame it on the breeding.
I have almost never trained a dog from a pup that I personally chose from a cross I was sure would be a good one that the pup didn't make a good to great coon dog and earn a title. I have had dogs go through bad stages where I actually considered culling them....but kept working to correct the problem....and they went on and made great dogs and finish out to gr.Nt.ch. easily once they put things together. Once a person sees that they can turn around many problems that they encounter in a dog as it progresses through the different stages of starting and training....then you know when to have more patience and when its an incurable problem and the dog should be culled. I have found very few problems with redbones that i have not been able to get a dog through and most have to do with fighting, digging, chewing, jumping, back tracking and extreme slick treeing.
I like a pretty naturally straight dog....but thats not always what you get...so Ihave had to break many dogs from off game. There are seasonal stages your dog will go through that also will have you pulling out your hair.
When things get green and thick a dog not used to it may struggle.
When kitten coons come out dogs not exposed to them my struggle.
When coons get in the corn dogs may struggle the first fall they encounter it.
In some areas in the North in the fall when coon get on the acorns they struggle.
Each and every one of these things that change seasonally can, and often do cause a young dog who was looking great in the winter and spring....to appear to have lost their mind and backslid when they run into this new challenge brought on by a change in the seasons or a change in the food source coons are using. This is where you have to have patience and keep working to get them through it. Some of these things you need to keep hunting them till they get better at dealing with it....and other ones you need to show restraint and lay them up for a few weeks until it passes and then resume training.
Well I hope some of that makes a little sense. It was good talking to you at American and National days Ed. Look forward to seeing you at the next hunt....shane
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Shane Maxey
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Banshee Wildlife Products
Hoosier Outlaw / Moonlight Redbones
1994 American Redbone Coonhound Association Hunter of the Year
My first 3 redbones raised from pup's were:
Dual Gr.Ch. Outlaw Billy the Kid
Dual Gr.Ch.- PKC Ch. Outlaw Timber Girl
Dual Gr.Ch. Outlaw Scarlett Fever
(((( Current Favorites ))))
2013 AKC Ladies World Champion
Gr.Nt.Ch.- PKC Ch- AKC Ladies World Ch Ky Moonlight Breanna
Gr.Nt.Ch. - PKC Ch. Ky Moonlight Woody
Dual Grand Moonlight Deana
Dual Grand Ch.- PKC Ch. Moonlight AfterShock
Dual Grand Nighty Night Amber
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Big Time Britt
Gr.Nt.Ch Outlaw Billy Jean
Gr.Nt.Ch-PKC Ch.-2015 PKC Red Days Champ Outlaw Cherry Bomb
Gr.Nt.Ch Outlaw Breeze
Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. All Grand Outlaw G-Man (over $20.000 won in PKC & CHKC) 2019 Southern Redbone Days Overall Champion
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Outlaw Mac
Gr.Nt.Ch. Classy Cali (Heavy Outlaw bred)
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Cat Scratch Fever
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Addiction
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Overdose
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Jinx
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Banshee
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Just wanted to say thanks.....
07-31-2014 09:39 PM
